20 May 18
Originally posted by @romans1009I agree with what you're saying. I was thinking in terms of what Paul said in Romans 6, "What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed?"
<<If dive is ashamed of himself, then he should fit right in with the rest of us Christians. After all, compared to Jesus Christ we're all just sinners saved by grace.>>
I think there’s a difference between humility and being ashamed. Certainly all who are in Christ are (or should be) humble, but ashamed? I don’t agree. We should be proud to be Christ ...[text shortened]... (can’t remember where I saw it,) was, “You are of infinite worth because you belong to Christ.”
"Now ashamed". It's difficult to come to terms with, but not when we concider our position "in Christ". "Accepted in the beloved". Our worth, from God's perspective, is that each and every human being has greater worth to Him than the entire cosmos. "For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?"
But you are right in that humility, a broken and contrite spirit, which God will not despise, and fear of God is at the root of our relationship with the Lord.
"Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven."
20 May 18
Originally posted by @divegeesterAnd what if someone, who claimed to be a Christian, were ashamed of identifying themselves with Jesus Christ?
I’m not ashamed of myself nor the name and identity of Jesus Christ, furthermore I would never, under any circumstances whatsoever, accuse someone else of being ashamed of Christ.
Some people in this forum need to be able to see the real issues in play here; integrity, honesty and principle.
Would you have the "integrity, honesty and principle" to call it out?
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Originally posted by @secondsonYou consider outing someone in public for this as showing integrity?
And what if someone, who claimed to be a Christian, were ashamed of identifying themselves with Jesus Christ?
Would you have the "integrity, honesty and principle" to call it out?
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Originally posted by @divegeesterWhen you spend as much time as you do running down and attacking believers - often for no reason - while ignoring blatant trolling and dishonesty from atheists and Christ deniers, it absolutely shows integrity to call you out for your hypocritical behavior and double standards.
You consider outing someone in public for this as showing integrity?
Originally posted by @divegeesterNo, the joke was about you getting beat up in a pub fight. I was merely following along with romans' jesting in various posts.
Where was the “joke” in your post...is it funny to joke about someone getting beaten up in a pub fight...is that your joke?
You need to lighten up. Of course it wouldn't be funny if you really did get beat up in a pub. It wouldn't be funny at all, but it's funny when we're being lighthearted with each other here.
Have an axe to grind or something?
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20 May 18
Originally posted by @secondsonNot at all, I just think you were not being honest when you said you were going to start a thread with a post similar to the one in this thread.
Have an axe to grind or something?
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20 May 18
Originally posted by @secondsonYou’re a believer so dive has a problem and axe to grind with you on that basis alone.
No, the joke was about you getting beat up in a pub fight. I was merely following along with romans' jesting in various posts.
You need to lighten up. Of course it wouldn't be funny if you really did get beat up in a pub. It wouldn't be funny at all, but it's funny when we're being lighthearted with each other here.
Have an axe to grind or something?
Originally posted by @divegeesterRight in front of everybody just as Paul called out Peter for his dishonesty before the whole church in Antioch.
You consider outing someone in public for this as showing integrity?
Just as Jesus gave scathing rebuke against the Pharisees in public.
Just like everywhere else in the real world.
If God be for us, who can stand against us?
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20 May 18
Originally posted by @divegeesterPicking nits with believers on the basis of mere suspicions while ignoring blatantly abusive behavior and trolling from atheists.
Not at all, I just think you were not being honest when you said you were going to start a thread with a post similar to the one in this thread.
Yeah, that’s dive’s MO.
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Originally posted by @divegeesterI honestly did concider starting the thread.
Not at all, I just think you were not being honest when you said you were going to start a thread with a post similar to the one in this thread.
When I posted about that in reply to the OP I wasn't certain it would be relevant to the OP, which is why I said I hesitated to post it.
Do you think it was? Never heard back from FMF about it so I'm not so sure it is. But even if I did hear back from FMF I think he'd rake me over the coals about it one way or the other. 😕
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20 May 18
Originally posted by @secondsonI see you. Thanks for clarifying.
Right in front of everybody just as Paul called out Peter for his dishonesty before the whole church in Antioch.
Just as Jesus gave scathing rebuke against the Pharisees in public.
Just like everywhere else in the real world.
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20 May 18
Originally posted by @secondsonWell I guess that’s that then.
I honestly did concider starting the thread.
When I posted about that in reply to the OP I wasn't certain it would be relevant to the OP, which is why I said I hesitated to post it.
Do you think it was? Never heard back from FMF about it so I'm not so sure it is. But even if I did hear back from FMF I think he'd rake me over the coals about it one way or the other. 😕
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20 May 18
Originally posted by @secondsonSo in your opinion, is Romans1009 correct to “call me out” as someone who is ashamed of Christ?
Right in front of everybody just as Paul called out Peter for his dishonesty before the whole church in Antioch.
Just as Jesus gave scathing rebuke against the Pharisees in public.
Just like everywhere else in the real world.
If God be for us, who can stand against us?
20 May 18
Originally posted by @divegeesterIntegrity, honesty and principle are hallmarks of taking a stand for the Truth.
I see you. Thanks for clarifying.
Taking a stand for the faith requires them. Otherwise one is a hypocrite.