Overthinking Christianity

@pbsandwich said
If that’s true, which it’s not, you should be able to recall and explain the lack of transitional forms in the fossil record, which Darwin himself should be truly enormous in number, and the Cambrian explosion. And those are just two of the many problems/flaws with the theory.

But the theory endures because it’s the religion of atheists.

The Vatican has grudgingly accepted that evolution is not 'just a theory' but really happened. The Vatican will not yet commit to the period of time over which it has been going on, but mainstream Christians (not only Catholics) have repudiated the Young Earth Hypothesis. Deep time happened. "Deep time" means that the Earth is billions, not thousands, of years old, and the rest of the universe is many billions of years older than the Earth. They did not both pop into existence within hours of each other, as suggested in the creation myth.

The mainstream Christian position on evolution is that it really happened, but that God's hand guides it. That is, God intervenes in molecular processes to create chromosomal mutations. For THIS, there is indeed no empirical evidence.

@moonbus said
My bad for using shorthand. @KellyJay. Other frequent posters here are also sometimes abbreviated, not only by me.

Romans1009 / PB1022 / SavedByGrace / PBSandwich already knows full well that KJ refers to KellyJay.

@fmf said
Most Christians I have discussed evolution with over the last 40+ years believe that evolution is the way that their God figure arranged for life to develop on Earth. If they are right, then evolutionary scientists - including "atheists", perhaps inadvertently - are simply describing the nature of the Abrahamic God's creation.

In my opinion, the theory of evolution should stand or fall based purely and solely on evidence. There’s no reason to bring God into it. I don’t disbelieve the theory of evolution based on the Bible. I disbelieve it based on the lack of evidence for it.

@moonbus said
My bad for using shorthand. @KellyJay. Other frequent posters here are also sometimes abbreviated, not only by me.

"Dive" and "Geester" and "The Gooster" are all commonly used expressions for @divegeester. @FMF is short enough not to need abbreviation. I am sometimes referred to simply as "moon" or "Mr. Bus." @suzianne is nearly always referred to as "Suzi", and she accept ...[text shortened]... alapeno Kitten", but if you refer to her as anything else, be prepared for adverse feedback.

FYI.

No worries. I realized who KJ was a couple of minutes after asking.

@moonbus said
The Vatican has grudgingly accepted that evolution is not 'just a theory' but really happened. The Vatican will not yet commit to the period of time over which it has been going on, but mainstream Christians (not only Catholics) have repudiated the Young Earth Hypothesis. Deep time happened. "Deep time" means that the Earth is billions, not thousands, of years old, and the re ...[text shortened]... olecular processes to create chromosomal mutations. For THIS, there is indeed no empirical evidence.

I honestly don’t care what the Vatican says or believes. I think the way the Catholic church handled allegations of child molestation by priests invalidates the church’s authority.

And I’m not a young earther, but am open to reading/hearing the arguments in favor of YEC. I think God exists and operates outside of time.

@fmf said
Romans1009 / PB1022 / SavedByGrace / PBSandwich already knows full well that KJ refers to KellyJay.

When I asked, I didn’t. But I realized on my own very shortly after asking.

@pbsandwich said
In my opinion, the theory of evolution should stand or fall based purely and solely on evidence. There’s no reason to bring God into it. I

The theory of evolution stands up well based on the available evidence. It's the countless Christians who believe it is the way that their God figure arranged for life to develop on Earth who "bring God into it".

@fmf said
The theory of evolution stands up well based on the available evidence. It's the countless Christians who believe it is the way that their God figure arranged for life to develop on Earth who "bring God into it".

It doesn’t stand up at all. There’s more evidence for the Resurrection of Jesus Christ than there is for the theory of evolution.

But I’ve debated it often enough to know evolutionists cling to it as their religion and they’ll never admit the theory is nonsense.

@pbsandwich said
It doesn’t stand up at all. There’s more evidence for the Resurrection of Jesus Christ than there is for the theory of evolution.

But I’ve debated it often enough to know evolutionists cling to it as their religion and they’ll never admit the theory is nonsense.

Take it to the Science forum, Spanky.

@pbsandwich said
I honestly don’t care what the Vatican says or believes. I think the way the Catholic church handled allegations of child molestation by priests invalidates the church’s authority.

And I’m not a young earther, but am open to reading/hearing the arguments in favor of YEC. I think God exists and operates outside of time.

I referred to the Vatican position on evolution to show that belief in Christian dogma and acceptance that evolution really happened are not exclusive; one can have both. What doesn't work is a literalist interpretation of the creation myth which insists on the Young Earth Hypothesis. Evolution requires deep time. Evolution and the YEH are indeed incompatible. Evolution and Christianity (without a literalist interpretation of the Book of Genesis) are compatible.

@pbsandwich said
There’s more evidence for the Resurrection of Jesus Christ than there is for the theory of evolution.

This isn't true.

Give me a link to your "15 reasons that prove the Resurrection of Jesus Christ is true" click-bait website again.

@pbsandwich said
I’ve debated it often enough to know evolutionists cling to it as their religion and they’ll never admit the theory is nonsense.

And yet avalanchethecat rang rings around you here in January and February of this year. Christians "cling to it" too, as you put it, as they see it as describing the nature of their God figure's creation.

@moonbus said
I referred to the Vatican position on evolution to show that belief in Christian dogma and acceptance that evolution really happened are not exclusive; one can have both. What doesn't work is a literalist interpretation of the creation myth which insists on the Young Earth Hypothesis. Evolution requires deep time. Evolution and the YEH are indeed incompatible. Evolution and Christianity (without a literalist interpretation of the Book of Genesis) are compatible.

I don’t disagree that the theory of evolution and Christianity are compatible - after all, one doesn’t become a Christian by believing Genesis.

But the Bible and the theory of evolution are not compatible. But I rejected the theory of evolution long before I read the Bible.

@fmf said
This isn't true.

Give me a link to your "15 reasons that prove the Resurrection of Jesus Christ is true" click-bait website again.

Yes, it is true. But it’s pretty clear you’re not interested in debating substance so I’ll leave you to your own musings.

@fmf said
And yet avalanchethecat rang rings around you here in January and February of this year. Christians "cling to it" too, as you put it, as they see it as describing the nature of their God figure's creation.

Saying that again doesn’t make it true. Interesting that you can’t recall any evidence he cited for the theory of evolution.

And it’s absurd to think that God created the entire inanimate universe but when it came to life, He just created one single-celled organism and plopped it in the middle of the ocean.