Overthinking Christianity

@kellyjay said
One thing you could do is stop telling me about you, and talking about me and
just focus on the topics.

Nice try, KellyJay. All you and I are doing is sharing our perspectives on the topics.

And when I do, you either ignore what I say or you go into a defensive crouch.

Here you are, yet AGAIN, prattling on about how I am "denying" something or "ignoring" something, when it is YOU who is pretending to not to know what my perspectives are and it is you who refuses to "just focus on the topics".

@kellyjay said
Your last response carried the same meaningfulness to it, too; you say it is an
opinion, duh. The facts cannot have any meaning if you ignore them, proclaiming
some when it is convenient and denying others for the same reason.

Don't run away, KellyJay. What exactly am I "denying"? What am I "ignoring"?

@fmf said
Don't run away, KellyJay. What exactly am I "denying"? What am I "ignoring"?

"Evidence and rationale somethings you accept as good for knowledge, others you disregard as opinions or simply an accretion. You are not consistent, you make truth claims and deny others because they are opinions as if your claims are to be acceptable while others not."

Repeating myself doesn't seem to work with you, but here it goes. Responding by
telling me about you or talking about me avoids the content of why things are
believed.

@kellyjay said
Repeating myself doesn't seem to work with you, but here it goes. Responding by
telling me about you or talking about me avoids the content of why things are
believed.

Would you like to talk about “why things are believed”?

@divegeester said
Would you like to talk about “why things are believed”?

It has been my focus! Talking about each other turns into personality disputes,
and who cares who walks away from that winning or losing? If we were to discuss
why do we believe what we do without the personal ranker? It would remove all
personal attacks and focus on the causes. Stepping into you only say that because
you are a this or that is not addressing the topics; it again is only going after the
person, not the topic.

@kellyjay said
It has been my focus! Talking about each other turns into personality disputes,
and who cares who walks away from that winning or losing? If we were to discuss
why do we believe what we do without the personal ranker? It would remove all
personal attacks and focus on the causes. Stepping into you only say that because
you are a this or that is not addressing the topics; it again is only going after the
person, not the topic.

Can you then please open a thread on “why things are believed” without mentioning yourself or why you personally believe something?

I’ll be happy to contribute.

@divegeester said
Can you then please open a thread on “why things are believed” without mentioning yourself or why you personally believe something?

I’ll be happy to contribute.

You still don't get it!

As soon as we state anything, as soon as we voice anything as an opinion or an
assertion, we have brought out something to be put under consideration; we speak,
we reveal by revelation those things within us that we are pondering; it isn't the
pondering that matters. It is the thing we are pondering! If you cannot or more
than likely will not separate the two by making them one topic you will never see
or be able to do what I'm talking about, and I can only imagine by design. It is
easy to ignore the inconvenient if all you have to do is dislike someone or like
yourself better because their points are always tied to them and therefore are
not worthy of consideration, keep them bound up as one thing, disliking either
the point or the person, any topic can be dismissed.

@kellyjay said
"Evidence and rationale somethings you accept as good for knowledge, others you disregard as opinions or simply an accretion. You are not consistent, you make truth claims and deny others because they are opinions as if your claims are to be acceptable while others not."

"You are not consistent, you make truth claims and deny others because they are opinions as if your claims are to be acceptable while others not."

You are not being denied. It is perfectly acceptable for you to be expressing your opinions. You are doing it. I am doing it. I am entirely consistent. When you don't share my perspective, you are not "denying" me; When I don't share your perspective, I am not "denying" you.

@fmf said
"You are not consistent, you make truth claims and deny others because they are opinions as if your claims are to be acceptable while others not."

You are not being denied. It is perfectly acceptable for you to be expressing your opinions. You are doing it. I am doing it. I am entirely consistent. When you don't share my perspective, you are not "denying" me; When I don't share your perspective, I am not "denying" you.

As I said.

@kellyjay said
Responding by
telling me about you or talking about me avoids the content of why things are
believed.

Why do you keep ignoring my stances and the content of what I post and/or pretend not to understand it... and then instead make all these evasive personal remarks? Are you still pretending that you think I am a "theist" and that I am changing my beliefs "all the time"?

@kellyjay said
As I said.

You are not being "denied" anything. No one is stopping you form sharing you beliefs.

@kellyjay said
Responding by
telling me about you or talking about me avoids the content of why things are
believed.

Responding by telling me about you ...

You are a piece of work! You claim I "ignore" your beliefs. You claim I "deny" your beliefs. You claim I have "dismissed [your] beliefs out of hand" or "without thought". All of which is blatantly untrue.

And then when I explain that I am not ignoring, dismissing, or denying your beliefs because I MYSELF had the same beliefs as you for almost three decades, THEN you complain that I am talking about myself! You really are a piece of work, KellyJay.

@fmf said
Responding by telling me about you ...

You are a piece of work! You claim I "ignore" your beliefs. You claim I "deny" your beliefs. You claim I have "dismissed [your] beliefs out of hand" or "without thought". All of which is blatantly untrue.

And then when I explain that I am not ignoring, dismissing, or denying your beliefs because I MYSELF had the same beliefs as ...[text shortened]... decades, THEN you complain that I am talking about myself! You really are a piece of work, KellyJay.

When you can stop telling me about you and talking about me, we can discuss
things.

@kellyjay said
When you can stop telling me about you

When I explain that I am not ignoring, dismissing, or denying your beliefs because I MYSELF had the same beliefs as you for almost three decades, THEN you complain that I am talking about myself!

@kellyjay said
we can discuss
things.

I am not sure we CAN discuss things as long as you are pretending that I am not explaining my perspective in response to you explaining yours.