Spirituality
14 Jul 18
Originally posted by @caljustGlobal ethical standards if imposed by man will be done against the will of other men.
Came across this quote from Hans Küng at the Goedgedacht Inter-Faith Chapel near Cape Town:
"No peace among the Nations
without peace among the Religions.
No survival for our globe
without a Global Ethic"
Comments?
Who has the right to force one set of ethical standards upon someone who doesn't like,
want, or agree with them? The only way that can be done if its done by someone all men
answer too, being God. Yet since so many are at odds with God right now, it will not
occur until the rebellion against God is dealt with, and all who do wickedness and evil are
forced to answer for their deeds.
Originally posted by @caljustJust another attempt to join all people against God.
Came across this quote from Hans Küng at the Goedgedacht Inter-Faith Chapel near Cape Town:
"No peace among the Nations
without peace among the Religions.
No survival for our globe
without a Global Ethic"
Comments?
Originally posted by @kellyjayWho has the right to force one set of ethical standards upon someone who doesn't like,
Global ethical standards if imposed by man will be done against the will of other men.
Who has the right to force one set of ethical standards upon someone who doesn't like,
want, or agree with them? The only way that can be done if its done by someone all men
answer too, being God. Yet since so many are at odds with God right now, it will not
occur un ...[text shortened]... nst God is dealt with, and all who do wickedness and evil are
forced to answer for their deeds.
want, or agree with them? The only way that can be done if its done by someone all men
answer too, being God.
With the Bible being widely open to interpretation, amongst Christians there is wide disparity as to what God's "ethical standards" might be.
Yet since so many are at odds with God right now...
Your statement implies that you know who is "at odds with God right now". Given what I wrote above, how were you able to determine who is and who is not "at odds with God right now"?
14 Jul 18
Originally posted by @thinkofoneI agree with you that the Bible is widely open to interpretation, I am not surprised that
[b]Who has the right to force one set of ethical standards upon someone who doesn't like,
want, or agree with them? The only way that can be done if its done by someone all men
answer too, being God.
With the Bible being widely open to interpretation, amongst Christians there is wide disparity as to what God's "ethical standards" might be.
[ ...[text shortened]... wrote above, how were you able to determine who is and who is not "at odds with God right now"?[/b]
there is a wide disparity among those that call themselves Christian either. Since I
believe anyone can wear whatever label they choose in life, who are we to say who can
or cannot call themselves Christian? I believe we are all at odds with God, every single
one of us without exception! The fixing of that issue isn't one we (mankind) can do on our
own since it is God who has to accept the restoration of our relationship with Him where
He can forgive us of our sins. This must be done as we are all sinners, without exception,
and if we say we have no sin we call God a liar.
God made away for us to come to Him, when the Father sent Jesus Christ to us to take
on our guilt before God, then sit at the right hand of the Father to intercede on our
behalf, and the Spirit of God was sent to be in us to teach, guide, help us. Just as only
God has the right to rule over us, He is also the One to save us from our sins. Who is
and isn't at odds with God, there are those that get right with God through Jesus Christ
the narrow way, and those that don't but look for some other answer if they are looking at
all. Jesus will sort that out, not KellyJay.
14 Jul 18
Originally posted by @kellyjayYou seem to have gone off on a tangent.
I agree with you that the Bible is widely open to interpretation, I am not surprised that
there is a wide disparity among those that call themselves Christian either. Since I
believe anyone can wear whatever label they choose in life, who are we to say who can
or cannot call themselves Christian? I believe we are all at odds with God, every single
one ...[text shortened]... look for some other answer if they are looking at
all. Jesus will sort that out, not KellyJay.
The point was that amongst Christians there is wide disparity as to what God's "ethical standards" might be. Given that, how can God's "ethical standards" be reasonably determined?
14 Jul 18
Originally posted by @thinkofone1 Corinthians 6:17
You seem to have gone off on a tangent.
The point was that amongst Christians there is wide disparity as to what God's "ethical standards" might be. Given that, how can God's "ethical standards" be reasonably determined?
But he who is joined to the Lord becomes one spirit with him.
We do not stay disjointed in Christ, there is only One Lord, as I have said.
Originally posted by @kellyjayNot sure what point you're trying to make.
1 Corinthians 6:17
But he who is joined to the Lord becomes one spirit with him.
We do not stay disjointed in Christ, there is only One Lord, as I have said.
Amongst Christians there is wide disparity as to what God's "ethical standards" might be. That's just a fact.
As such, it's clear that Christians are not of "one spirit". That's also just a fact.
It might help if you directly answer the question instead of talking around it:
<<Given that, how can God's "ethical standards" be reasonably determined?>>
Originally posted by @thinkofoneMost Christians are going to hell so what is your point?
Not sure what point you're trying to make.
Amongst Christians there is wide disparity as to what God's "ethical standards" might be. That's just a fact.
As such, it's clear that Christians are not of "one spirit". That's also just a fact.
It might help if you directly answer the question instead of talking around it:
<<Given that, how can God's "ethical standards" be reasonably determined?>>
Originally posted by @thinkofoneLikewise, see below:
Not sure what point you're trying to make.
Amongst Christians there is wide disparity as to what God's "ethical standards" might be. That's just a fact.
And that is completely in line with what the bible tells us. We are told we cannot fathom God's ways. It should be totally expected that we would differ in our opinions about some of God's characteristics when they are filtered through the readers' lens.
As such, it's clear that Christians are not of "one spirit". That's also just a fact.
But what do you mean by "one spirit." The "spirit" true Christian believers share transcends matters like doctrine and text on scrolls. Not to say doctrine and the Word aren't important--it's just that they are not integral to the Spirit--the family bond--all believers share.
14 Jul 18
Originally posted by @thinkofoneWhat you are trying to do is justify the term Christian to automatically mean someone
I'm trying to get clarification on KJ's position, so that I can determine whether or not it is sound and coherent.
right with God, that is not the case. Those that are right with God, are as I have said, are
right due to Jesus Christ, what they share is the Spirit of God within. You can call yourself
a Christian and not have Jesus in your life. You cannot be right with God without Jesus
Christ, it is as simple as that, nothing disjointed or incoherent about that.
Originally posted by @kellyjayPlease address my response to you prior to this one.
What you are trying to do is justify the term Christian to automatically mean someone
right with God, that is not the case. Those that are right with God, are as I have said, are
right due to Jesus Christ, what they share is the Spirit of God within. You can call yourself
a Christian and not have Jesus in your life. You cannot be right with God without Jesus
Christ, it is as simple as that, nothing disjointed or incoherent about that.
14 Jul 18
Originally posted by @thinkofoneLol you are so self important and arrogant.
I'm trying to get clarification on KJ's position, so that I can determine whether or not it is sound and coherent.
14 Jul 18
Originally posted by @caljustReligions that dont advocate peace aren't viable
Came across this quote from Hans Küng at the Goedgedacht Inter-Faith Chapel near Cape Town:
"No peace among the Nations
without peace among the Religions.
No survival for our globe
without a Global Ethic"
Comments?