20 Jun 18
Originally posted by @fmfI've been very busy these last few days but I haven't forgot.
I don't perceive the stance you are taking amounts to "larger conclusions". I don't see what you are offering as "deep" or "meaningful" at all.
I am jus there to ask... Would you like to tell us what the basis of rights is?
Would you like to talk about why rights often fade into the background and become meaningless?
Would you like to try to talk about this deeper?
Do you know why this is thought of as "deeper?"
20 Jun 18
Originally posted by @philokaliaI don't see you as talking about this in a "deep" or "deeper" way. Human rights, when enshrined in law, are legally binding protections for citizens from the actions of the powerful and from the actions of each other. It's a warts-and-all thing in reality, of course, bad stuff happens, and it doesn't always work. Your proposal that if everyone was virtuous, then we wouldn't need human rights just sounds silly to me. I don't think it's "deep".
I've been very busy these last few days but I haven't forgot.
I am jus there to ask... Would you like to tell us what the basis of rights is?
Would you like to talk about why rights often fade into the background and become meaningless?
Would you like to try to talk about this deeper?
Do you know why this is thought of as "deeper?"
20 Jun 18
Originally posted by @fmfSo what is the source of human rights? how do you get to the conclusion of human rights being real, immutable, etc.?
I don't see you as talking about this in a "deep" or "deeper" way. Human rights, when enshrined in law, are legally binding protections for citizens from the actions of the powerful and from the actions of each other. It's a warts-and-all thing in reality, of course, bad stuff happens, and it doesn't always work. Your proposal that if everyone was virtuous, then we wouldn't need human rights just sounds silly to me. I don't think it's "deep".
20 Jun 18
Originally posted by @philokaliaThey're obviously not "immutable". What gave you that idea? You sound utterly naive. Look at the world around you.
So what is the source of human rights? how do you get to the conclusion of human rights being real, immutable, etc.?
20 Jun 18
Originally posted by @fmfAlright.
They're obviously not "immutable". What gave you that idea? You sound utterly naive. Look at the world around you.
So we have these values; they are not absolute.
What did they come from?
Would you like to ... compose a longer series of words about these things that you really, truly believe in?
See, this is what I'm talking about when i discuss your issues with lack of depth and lack of forthrightness.
21 Jun 18
Originally posted by @philokaliaActually, I am happy with my depth and forthrightness. The need and demand and struggle for protections come from the citizens. Freedom is hard work. People don't always agree what it is exactly. We agree about how virtue is really great, although, again, people do not always agree about what "virtue" is and how it manifests itself. Can you still not bring yourself to approve of freedom of the press in Indonesia? Thanks for your suggestions.
Alright.
So we have these values; they are not absolute.
What did they come from?
Would you like to ... compose a longer series of words about these things that you really, truly believe in?
See, this is what I'm talking about when i discuss your issues with lack of depth and lack of forthrightness.
Originally posted by @philokaliaWell done to you for typing out stuff like this that you think is "deep" and posting it.
... I need to point out to you why you are being foolish, naive, and childish for still believing that schoolboy tripe as relevant or part of a real model of how things work.
Originally posted by @philokaliaThanks for more of this stuff that demonstrates what you seem to think makes you sound "deep".
["Muh Rights" makes] fun of Southern / ghetto English, but it has gone on to be a general catch all for the way that stupid people talk. We've all known the people who, reagrdless of region, speak like someone who never reads books.
21 Jun 18
FMF.
You put my full government name on a thread that attempted to portray me as someone who hated the mainstream narrative about rights & freedom, and my full government name still has this come up on the second page of results...
And now you do not even want to like go into your justification as to why you have these beliefs in rights...
So, I am convinced that you were never interested in defending your beliefs on rights, and discussing rights and convincing me of their greatness...
You really just wanted to harangue me on the issue.
WACK.
21 Jun 18
Originally posted by @philokaliaI quoted you verbatim. I gave the link to where you'd made the comments. Your own assertions and claims. The context. You had the thread removed. And yet you are still mewling about it. What's the matter with you.
You put my full government name on a thread that attempted to portray me as someone who hated the mainstream narrative about rights & freedom, and my full government name still has this come up on the second page of results
21 Jun 18
Originally posted by @philokaliaI've said plenty. If you look back over the previous pages, you actually just blank out most of what's put to you. Meanwhile, I have acknowledged that you think "virtue" is really, really great, and that you find rights and freedoms meaningless. I think we've both presented our views well enough. I don't think you are "deep". You don't think I am "deep". I think you are sanctimonious and naive. You think I am "foolish, naive, and childish" and that my viewpoint is "schoolboy tripe". The conversation is what it is.
And now you do not even want to like go into your justification as to why you have these beliefs in rights.
21 Jun 18
Originally posted by @philokaliaFor me personally, as a moral agent? Where have my values with regard to human rights come from? Well, I'd say they are rooted in the imperative: "Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself" which is a value or an attitude or an approach to life that I got from the way I was raised and a life principle which I did not lose when I lost my Christian faith.
So we have these values [with regard to human rights]; they are not absolute. What did they come from?
Originally posted by @philokaliaI'd say about 20 people here know my real name because I've told them. If I'd wanted everyone to know my name, I'd have used it as my screen name when I joined perhaps. I am not going to tell you what my name is because I find you to be rather creepy. Here you are for example, suddenly asking me my name instead of addressing what I have said on the last page or two.
FMF,
What's your name? Or are you uncomfortable with us knowing it?
28 Jun 18
My mistake was that I simply registered with my Facebook and hadn't bothered changing my name, and I never anticipated that the RHP forum has some real loons on it...
But, anyhow: there is literally nothing to address.
Every time I've asked you to have a deeper discussion on some topic in here, you've simply refused and wanted to bring it back to some surface point that I imagine, in your head, is a "gotcha" point.