Phikokalia's Virtue Oriented World

Originally posted by @philokalia
From like the fifth or sixth post, this has had nothing to do with discussing any of the points that I made.

And FMF didn't read anything that I had posted. If he had, he would not have asked questions that were answered in the OP.

This forum is nutty as hell.

I’m convinced FMF (Kiddo) doesn’t read half the posts he replies to. He just likes to hear himself talk.

Suzy Q gets a throbbing migraine when she sees my one-word exclams because it reminds her the Highly Honorable and Greatly Esteemed President Donald J. Trump is still in office and the Portly Pantsuit is still getting bombed on Chardonnay and staggering through the woods in Chapaqqua.

And Ghost has to be the biggest nutter on here. The fact he pretends to be a mental health professional is like a serial killer pretending to be a policeman.

Originally posted by @romans1009
I’m convinced FMF (Kiddo) doesn’t read half the posts he replies to. He just likes to hear himself talk.

Suzy Q gets a throbbing migraine when she sees my one-word exclams because it reminds her the Highly Honorable and Greatly Esteemed President Donald J. Trump is still in office and the Portly Pantsuit is still getting bombed on Chardonnay and stagg ...[text shortened]... retends to be a mental health professional is like a serial killer pretending to be a policeman.

I agree with your assessment of FMF.

It is plain as day.

He literally is giving me garbage because I posted a long post on the topic he wanted in the topically correct subforum... And then when, after being badgered for months, I come to re-post it in this forum just to please him,


he doesn't even read it.

I thought that he was a high effort troll because he literally will bookmark the statements that people make for future reference...

But the guy has a strong aversion to reading.

Originally posted by @philokalia
And FMF didn't read anything that I had posted. If he had, he would not have asked questions that were answered in the OP.

Your gassy virtue signalling about "virtue" - may be lovely or ever so earnest on some dreamy level - but my question ~ which is about real people in the real world ~ remains thoroughly dodged by you. See the thread I started with your screen name in it.

Originally posted by @philokalia
He literally is giving me garbage because I posted a long post on the topic he wanted in the topically correct subforum... And then when, after being badgered for months, I come to re-post it in this forum just to please him,


[b]he doesn't even read it.

I thought that he was a high effort troll because he literally will bookmark the s ...[text shortened]... ments that people make for future reference...

But the guy has a strong aversion to reading.[/b]

How should, say, a developing country ~ which is a post-colonial, post-military dictatorship like the one I live in move ~ forward and promote social justice in the wake of what it has been through and in the face of the huge challenges that exist if you don't really believe in freedom and you don't really believe in human rights?

Originally posted by @secondson
You have to have a sick mind to equate sexual perverts with the Christian posters in this forum.

You're not worth responding to.

Those are pastors in your church. What are you doing about it.
Nothing?
Then you are also a sicko

Originally posted by @philokalia
So, what do we make of rights? I no longer think about them.

In a country like the one where I live, should there be religious freedom? Freedom of the press? The right to a fair trial? Should there be a right to free speech?

Should there be freedom of association and a right to assemble? Should be people have the right to petition their government and hold authorities to account?

Should there be academic and economic freedom? Freedom of movement?

What about freedom of thought?

Should the default setting be that all adult citizens have access to these rights and freedoms ~ these protections from people with power ~ in return for their law-abiding behaviour and their respect for the rights and freedoms of their fellow citizens?

Originally posted by @philokalia
I agree with your assessment of FMF.

It is plain as day.

He literally is giving me garbage because I posted a long post on the topic he wanted in the topically correct subforum... And then when, after being badgered for months, I come to re-post it in this forum just to please him,


[b]he doesn't even read it.

I thought that he ...[text shortened]... ments that people make for future reference...

But the guy has a strong aversion to reading.[/b]

<<But the guy has a strong aversion to reading.>>

I wish he had a strong aversion to posting.

Originally posted by @fmf
Your gassy virtue signalling about "virtue" - may be lovely or ever so earnest on some dreamy level - but my question ~ which is about real people in the real world ~ remains thoroughly dodged by you. See the thread I started with your screen name in it.

What’s with the crazy dashes, Kiddo? You don’t even have them in the right place.

Originally posted by @fmf
How should, say, a developing country ~ which is a post-colonial, post-military dictatorship like the one I live in move ~ forward and promote social justice in the wake of what it has been through and in the face of the huge challenges that exist if you don't really believe in freedom and you don't really believe in human rights?

Welcome to the most boring essay question ever asked. Feel free to answer if you didn’t nod off halfway through reading it.

Originally posted by @rajk999
Those are pastors in your church. What are you doing about it.
Nothing?
Then you are also a sicko

You’re aware, aren’t you amigo, that the majority of sexual abuse cases involving the church (at least in the United States) involved priests and not pastors? Do you know the difference between pastors and priests? Same as the difference between Protestantism and Catholicism. You know the main general difference between Catholics and Protestants? Catholics believe in a works-based salvation like you; Protestants believe in salvation by faith alone.

Originally posted by @fmf
In a country like the one where I live, should there be religious freedom? Freedom of the press? The right to a fair trial? Should there be a right to free speech?

Should there be freedom of association and a right to assemble? Should be people have the right to petition their government and hold authorities to account?

Should there be academic and econ ...[text shortened]... ir law-abiding behaviour and their respect for the rights and freedoms of their fellow citizens?

What gives with these essay questions, Kiddo?

In my opinion, people who live in your country - and in any country you live in in the future - should be restricted to 30 minutes per week of Internet access.

No exceptions.

Hey FMF,

This is literally the opening of the post:

I do not provide a specific answer for how a previous military dictatorship should function. This may have been the only relevant question that FMF asked that perhaps I should consider confronting. I think each situation is different. Too different for me to say that there is a single fix all for everything.

Perhaps even more importantly: I reject the universalism which FMF and many Westerners tend to unquestioningly believe in. It is actually a rather rich irony that there are Christian traditionalists such as Dugin or Solzhenitsyn that recognize the vast diversity of cultures and circumstances, and do not pretend to be able to legislate for the peoples of other societies. These are people that are portrayed as intolerant or as foolish, but in reality, they are far more tolerant as they do not have a monochromatic vision for the totality of the world.

And this is what is at the basis of FMF's erroneous characterization of my words. Of course, I played a bit fast & heavy with the wording of the posts quoted, but this was in the spirit of provoking debate & discussion and, moreover, in getting a rise out of him. I was not disappointed -- he is still raising hackles on the issue months later.

But to answer this question more specifically:

There are universal truths, but none of these are necessarily great enough to merit a single minded approach to governance.

Generally speaking, though, simply the cultivation of the basic virtues that give rise to high standards of living should be the ultimate goal. This is meant to be...

I know that is also a lot of text for you.

But, please do, engage with it.

I created this thread to help you air your grievances.

Please do make good use of it.

Originally posted by @philokalia
I know that is also a lot of text for you.

But, please do, engage with it.

I created this thread to help you air your grievances.

Please do make good use of it.

If your wittering on about ethical education has no real-world application - like the one I cited and which I have invited you to apply it to - you're being evasive and wasting your time by wasting mine. Unless... you are advocating the right of every citizen to receive education - including education on ethics and morality?