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Originally posted by @karoly-aczelSpamming with profanity and killing a thread at the same time?
F--k off
I salute you, sir!
You are nicely filling the shoes of Thread Killer. I no longer feel I must go 30 for 30 in being the last poster.
My 24 for 25 miracle is enough.
We’re at the dawning of a new age in thread killing, and that age is named Karoly.
Onward!
14 Jun 18
Originally posted by @whodeyYou have also reminded me of a John Adams quotation about it:
Ben Franklin would agree.
“I agree to this Constitution with all its faults, if they are such: because I think a General Government necessary for us, and there is no Form of Government but what may be a Blessing to the People if well-administred; and I believe farther that this is likely to be well administred for a Course of Years and can only end in Des ...[text shortened]... If people are unable to self govern themselves, then the state must be forced to do it for them.
But should the People of America, once become capable of that deep <, Start deletion,[. . .], End,> simulation towards one another and towards foreign nations, which assumes the Language of Justice and moderation while it is practicing Iniquity and Extravagance; and displays in the most captivating manner the charming Pictures of Candour frankness & sincerity while it is rioting in rapine and Insolence: this Country will be the most miserable Habitation in the World. Because We have no Government armed with Power capable of contending with human Passions unbridled by <, Start deletion,[. . .], End,> morality and Religion. Avarice, Ambition <, Start deletion,and, End,> Revenge or Galantry, would break the strongest Cords of our Constitution as a Whale goes through a Net. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious People. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.
https://founders.archives.gov/documents/Adams/99-02-02-3102
It is kind of like... some people on the far right think that our forefathers were fools for making a democracy that would fall... But they knew what they were doing, which makes the whole American experience are more sad and profound one.
They called the shot. THey knew their limits.
And we bear witness to the very end of it.
14 Jun 18
Originally posted by @fmfIt does not matter what the laws say when there are those that are evil, for they will simply abridge everything and follow not the rules that were set out.
You're still dodging. I have no objection to "virtue" and to morality and to ethics and to education or other cultural mechanisms promoting these. Nor is there any dispute that rights and freedoms are often abrogated. The issue is what protections (rights and freedoms) do citizens have from the actions of the powerful.
Do words on paper defend people from unrighteousness?
The only solution is to strive to be good, and to create a good society around oneself.
This isn't dodging the question -- it is confronting the very premise of the question, and questioning its legitimacy.
Originally posted by @philokaliaRighteousness and virtue are great. I'm all for them. Yes, and there's "evil" out there. Do you envisage creating "a good society" where there are no legal protections for ordinary citizens from the actions of the powerful?
It does not matter what the laws say when there are those that are evil, for they will simply abridge everything and follow not the rules that were set out.
Do words on paper defend people from unrighteousness?
The only solution is to strive to be good, and to create a good society around oneself.
This isn't dodging the question -- it is confronting the very premise of the question, and questioning its legitimacy.
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Originally posted by @fmfOh no! Where’d Philo go?
Righteousness and virtue are great. I'm all for them. Yes, and there's "evil" out there. Do you envisage creating "a good society" where there are no legal protections for ordinary citizens from the actions of the powerful?
That’s gotta be frustrating as hell. You’re all primed for a rapid-fire, question-asking marathon and you’ve got no one to fire your questions at.
Bet you’re sorry you’re ignoring me now lol
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Originally posted by @romans1009Said the man who is spamming every thread in the forum in a self-indulgent and infantile campaign to be the last poster in every thread, never mind if this alienates other posters and ruins the enjoyment of individual threads swamped by your cretinous mutterings.
I believe spammers should be ignored.
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Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-dukeI’m no longer on that campaign, Heartpence. Didn’t you read my post where I said I was satisfied with my 24 for 25 miracle and had passed the torch to Karoly?
Said the man who is spamming every thread in the forum in a self-indulgent and infantile campaign to be the last poster in every thread, never mind if this alienates other posters and ruins the enjoyment of individual threads swamped by your cretinous mutterings.
Come on, old boy. Keep up! I know you’re not busy doing anything important - make reading these threads more of a priority.
That’s an order!
14 Jun 18
Originally posted by @fmfGive it another twenty years and you'll see the landscape change again, and it won't be for the better given man's track record for self governance.
I am more hopeful now than I was under the Soeharto military dictatorship. Wouldn't you be? The human landscape in terms of rights and freedoms and civil society, albeit not without its serious problems, has been transformed over the last 20 years.
But don't worry, Jesus will straiten it all out soon enough.
14 Jun 18
Originally posted by @karoly-aczelYou're back, and saying meaningless things as usual.
The universe you say?
14 Jun 18
Originally posted by @secondsonSo does your preoccupation with "Jesus" mean that you support and welcome the democratization of Indonesia or that you preferred it to have a military dictatorship or does your preoccupation with "Jesus" mean that you have rendered yourself unable to decide on such things?
Give it another twenty years and you'll see the landscape change again, and it won't be for the better given man's track record for self governance.
But don't worry, Jesus will straiten it all out soon enough.
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14 Jun 18
Originally posted by @fmfGod’s in control, Kiddo. Just be thankful for that.
So does your preoccupation with "Jesus" mean that you support and welcome the democratization of Indonesia or that you preferred it to have a military dictatorship or does your preoccupation with "Jesus" mean that you have rendered yourself unable to decide on such things?
14 Jun 18
God I love the conservative crew that we have going here these days.
We still all get downvoted into the dust every time we say anything in the Debates forum, and we neve rwaste our time tugging each other's chaisn with the upvotes... But something is really changing around here.
God bless you guys.
14 Jun 18
Originally posted by @fmfNo.
Righteousness and virtue are great. I'm all for them. Yes, and there's "evil" out there. Do you envisage creating "a good society" where there are no legal protections for ordinary citizens from the actions of the powerful?
What kind of question is that?
"Do you endorse a righteous & virutous society... where average people are repressed by the leaders..?!"
Of course not.
14 Jun 18
Originally posted by @philokaliaSo you do support the existence of rights and freedoms for citizens after all?
No.
What kind of question is that?
"Do you endorse a righteous & virutous society... where average people are repressed by the leaders..?!"
Of course not.