Phikokalia's Virtue Oriented World

Originally posted by @philokalia
I do not provide a specific answer for how a previous military dictatorship should function.

My question is about what rights and freedoms need to be established in the wake of military dictatorship, not how a military dictatorship functions. Except, of course, I think you do know how a military dictatorship functions; it would be rooted in notions like these... We are ascribing "rights" to agents that have no sense of duty, nor have been integrated as productive factors into the society in any way and I prefer to think along the lines of duties and practical consequences than rights. And I refuse to pretend that every person in the society has to be treated with the assumption that their citizenship is valuable and wanted. These are your words.

Originally posted by @fmf
My question is about what rights and freedoms need to be established in the wake of military dictatorship, not how a military dictatorship functions. Except, of course, I think you do know how a military dictatorship functions; it would be rooted in notions like these... [b]We are ascribing "rights" to agents that have no sense of duty, nor have been integrated ...[text shortened]... ted with the assumption that their citizenship is valuable and wanted. These are your words.[/b]

Enough, Kiddo.

Time to hit the hay. You’ve got a big day tomorrow.

Originally posted by @philokalia
From like the fifth or sixth post, this has had nothing to do with discussing any of the points that I made.

And FMF didn't read anything that I had posted. If he had, he would not have asked questions that were answered in the OP.

This forum is nutty as hell.

Like some kind of an internet asylum.

Originally posted by @rajk999
Those are pastors in your church. What are you doing about it.
Nothing?
Then you are also a sicko

Originally posted by @divegeester
Is masturbation a sin?

Rajk says, "No, would be my answer", as he watches porn videos between forum postings about sex perverts.

Originally posted by @rajk999
Those are pastors in your church. What are you doing about it.
Nothing?
Then you are also a sicko

Those are pastors in your church.

And you know this how exactly? Talk about painting everyone with the same brush.

Originally posted by @fmf
If your wittering on about ethical education has no real-world application - like the one I cited and which I have invited you to apply it to - you're being evasive and wasting your time by wasting mine. Unless... you are advocating the right of every citizen to receive education - including education on ethics and morality?

I believe in what Plato said -- good laws do not make bad men good, and bad laws do not make good men bad.

In a very real sense, the most political thing in the world is the society as a whole. The real values of the people and the way that they engage one another is the most important aspect of the poltiical.

Tell me this, FMF:

If a country is largely racist, won't they have a less good society than one that isn't?

If a society was largely humanist, atheist, super progressive, very welcoming of gays, wouldn't that be the sort of society that you would like to live in, and would that not set the course ofa more enlightened form of governemnt?

The people generally contribute greatly to the form of the government -- btoh through their vices and virtues.

Originally posted by @dj2becker
[b]Those are pastors in your church.

And you know this how exactly? Talk about painting everyone with the same brush.[/b]

amigo really hates the church. He thinks singing praises to God, tithing to God, fellowshipping, reading the Bible are all unimportant. Only “good works” are important.

amigo’s condensed version of the Bible is: Do good works. Jesus will judge.

Originally posted by @romans1009
amigo really hates the church. He thinks singing praises to God, tithing to God, fellowshipping, reading the Bible are all unimportant. Only “good works” are important.

amigo’s condensed version of the Bible is: Do good works. Jesus will judge.

Hebrews 10:25 King James Version (KJV)

Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.

I'm guessing Rajk cut this one out of his Bible, assuming of course he has one.

Originally posted by @philokalia
I believe in what Plato said -- good laws do not make bad men good, and bad laws do not make good men bad.

In a very real sense, the most political thing in the world is the society as a whole. The real values of the people and the way that they engage one another is the most important aspect of the poltiical.

Tell me this, FMF:

[b]If a count ...[text shortened]... erally contribute greatly to the form of the government -- btoh through their vices and virtues.

You're still dodging. I have no objection to "virtue" and to morality and to ethics and to education or other cultural mechanisms promoting these. Nor is there any dispute that rights and freedoms are often abrogated. The issue is what protections (rights and freedoms) do citizens have from the actions of the powerful.

Originally posted by @fmf
You're still dodging. I have no objection to "virtue" and to morality and to ethics and to education or other cultural mechanisms promoting these. Nor is there any dispute that rights and freedoms are often abrogated. The issue is what protections (rights and freedoms) do citizens have from the actions of the powerful.

Dodging Sir, is what you do.

Originally posted by @dj2becker

Hebrews 10:25 King James Version (KJV)

Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.

I'm guessing Rajk cut this one out of his Bible, assuming of course he has one.

rajk doesn’t have a Bible. He thinks people who read the Bible should instead be doing “good works.”

Originally posted by @philokalia
The people generally contribute greatly to the form of the government -- both through their vices and virtues.

Start a thread about "People Contributing" by all means. My question here to you is about protections.

Originally posted by @dj2becker
Dodging Sir, is what you do.

Kiddo answered all of these questions months ago and is under no obligation to do so again.

You’ll just have to find the threads where he graced the SF with his pearls of wisdom and enlightened us all.

Originally posted by @romans1009
Kiddo answered all of these questions months ago and is under no obligation to do so again.

You’ll just have to find the threads where he graced the SF with his pearls of wisdom and enlightened us all.

Alternatively if all else fails you could send him an inbox. 😏

Originally posted by @dj2becker
Alternatively if all else fails you could send him an inbox. 😏

Kiddo deletes all PMs without reading them. Oddly enough, the two PMs I sent him months ago remain in my sent folder, indicating he did not delete them.

When I mentioned this to Kiddo about a month ago, he claimed something was wrong with my account.