Poll: Religious?

Originally posted by Pawnokeyhole
Yes, some degree of belief or disbelief. But that's not the same as a belief.

The good Dr. S. will go mental over this. But only because, as an intellectual iconclast, he refuses to defer to conventional meanings.

What is a belief, except the (perhaps complex) content or object of believing? If I say, "I have a belief that..." I then go on to describe that content, and perhaps the evidential basis on which I choose to believe.

Originally posted by KellyJay
Christian, whatever label you want to apply after than doesn't matter.
Kelly

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Originally posted by googlefudge
So all the wars between Catholics and Protestants were over the position of the garden hedge then?

If someone belongs to God through Jesus Christ they belong to
God through Jesus Christ, all labels after than are man made.
Kelly

Originally posted by Palynka
A weak atheist would say that the evidence is insufficient to believe that a God exists. Therefore, a weak atheist would say that he does not believe that a God exists.

An agnostic does not commit to any opinion, except maybe that the answer is unknowable (not all agnostic do so, however).

If they do not, I believe that such (weak) agnosticism is inherently hypocrite and a mere form of political correctness.

To say he does not believe ... is a statement of belief.
Kelly

Originally posted by googlefudge
What if it shouldn't be respected? (In hypothetical 'devils advocate' mode here)

What if religion could be shown to be damaging to society?
If a person’s choice of religion has an adverse effect on someone then they are entitled to object, their freedom not to be unduly effected by someone else overrides their 'right' to follow the religion that is ...[text shortened]... d an adverse effect, should in that case those religions, and hence theocracy, be respected

If it is put forward that everyone has a belief, therefore a religion
all you'd be doing is picking yours over another. The damage
is not respecting others, their beliefs shouldn't be a factor in if
they get respect or not. You do that; you will heal a lot of wounds
in society. You have to acknowledge that people have caused
adverse effects upon society, their beliefs run the full spectrum of
all people hold dear.
Kelly

Originally posted by vistesd
The main reason for the theist in asserting that all atheism is “strong atheism” seems to be to claim an equal burden of proof. I somehow don’t see that if someone claims that there is a unicorn in my refrigerator, that I am required to accept such an equal burden.

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[b]The Refrigerator Argument

A: “There’s a unic ...[text shortened]... the atheist be required to “look in the refrigerator” in order for her position to be justifed?[/b]

You don't have to prove anything any more than I do for my
beliefs in God. I have beliefs in God and make the statement
that I cannot prove it, I can only believe it. I'm not asking for
an atheist to prove me wrong, just acknowledge their position
or beliefs, because the foundation of what they believe about
God/god/s is where everything else they hand their hats on rest.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
To say he does not believe ... is a statement of belief.
Kelly

Yes, of course, hence my statement about agnosticism.

Why do you, as a theist, think that so many theists attempt to claim equivalence between belief based on evidence and belief based on faith?

Originally posted by Palynka
Yes, of course, hence my statement about agnosticism.

Why do you, as a theist, think that so many theists attempt to claim equivalence between belief based on evidence and belief based on faith?

I do not believe the atheist have the 'evidence' to back up their
beliefs, I believe they deny what is before them and simply
ignore the 'evidence' that God is real. Having a universe filled
with evidence and missing is like the saying missing the forest
for all the trees. Which is why they deny having 'faith' and 'beliefs'
because they would have to defend them, and they cannot, they
are no different than anyone else when it comes to the spiritual.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
I do not believe the atheist have the 'evidence' to back up their
beliefs, I believe they deny what is before them and simply
ignore the 'evidence' that God is real. Having a universe filled
with evidence and missing is like the saying missing the forest
for all the trees. Which is why they deny having 'faith' and 'beliefs'
because they would have to d ...[text shortened]... y cannot, they
are no different than anyone else when it comes to the spiritual.
Kelly

Where's the evidence then? We're all intelligent people, I assume. If the universe is 'filled' with evidence, it shouldn't be too hard for you to demonstrate that God exists.