Predestination and Noah's ark

Originally posted by stellspalfie
'he created a good universe and evil sprung up'

was god unaware that evil was going to spring up? if he was aware then why not take immediate counter measures to eradicate it?

No, it was created and was called very good, but bad choices took a bad
turn. It is being dealt with now. Personally, I think every excuse under the
sun is being wiped out now. We will see what happens when everything is
going people's way, and what happens when nothing goes their way, and
all points in between. When the end comes those that think they have an
excuse will stand before God and everyone who not only came to God but
did so in much worse states. There will be no excuse.
Kelly

Originally posted by stellspalfie
'all sin will be burnt'. is there a limited amount of sin? once all the sinners have been burnt what is stopping a good person from becoming a sinner?

I think that is what is going on now, after we see sin played out at every
level no one will go back to that path again.
Kelly

Originally posted by stellspalfie
'all sin will be burnt'. is there a limited amount of sin? once all the sinners have been burnt what is stopping a good person from becoming a sinner?

Death of the physical body and rebirth of a new spiritual being which cannot by corrupted with sin.

Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory? The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.

But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ. Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord. (1 Corinthians 15:50-58 KJV)

Originally posted by stellspalfie


was god unaware that evil was going to spring up? if he was aware then why not take immediate counter measures to eradicate it?

Yeah, like electrified fences, mounted turret guns and tank divisions 🙂

Originally posted by Rajk999
Death of the physical body and rebirth of a new spiritual being which cannot by corrupted with sin.

Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at ...[text shortened]... rasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord. (1 Corinthians 15:50-58 KJV)

why can the new spiritual being not be corrupted by sin? what has changed? isnt sin a byproduct of freewill, if sin is removed is god not removing mans freewill?

Originally posted by KellyJay
No, it was created and was called very good, but bad choices took a bad
turn. It is being dealt with now. Personally, I think every excuse under the
sun is being wiped out now. We will see what happens when everything is
going people's way, and what happens when nothing goes their way, and
all points in between. When the end comes those that think they ...[text shortened]... ryone who not only came to God but
did so in much worse states. There will be no excuse.
Kelly

what do you mean by 'every excuse is being wiped out'?

Originally posted by divegeester
Rom 8:30
Eph 1:11

I am currently one who holds to the absolute authority and sovereignty of God, meaning that I chose to accept the scriptures relating to predestination at face value. Many Christians here won't agree with this view, some extremely so as predestination seems to imply the exclusion of free will.

I also hold to the strategy that in ...[text shortened]... ld possibly fit within it? Is this an early example of predestination?

Thoughts and opinions.

I also believe in God's sovereignty, as far as the dictionary definition.
He is at the top of the food chain, but it does not mean he controls every thing that happens.
I also believe that God dealt with mankind differently in the Old Covenant than the new Covenant.
I also reject the "Trinity" for the time being, but I am not absolutely certain. Both sides have a good argument, so I have set that aside in my mind for the time being.

Interesting what you bring up about Noah. I think the people were already condemned by their wickedness, given a chance to repent but failed to do so. I think God had a pretty good idea whether they would repent or not...

Originally posted by stellspalfie
why can the new spiritual being not be corrupted by sin? what has changed? isnt sin a byproduct of freewill, if sin is removed is god not removing mans freewill?

Sin is a byproduct of freewill of this carnal fleshly body which comes with greed, selfishness, lust and all the evils.
The spiritual being will be like Christ himself after he was raised from the dead.

Originally posted by Rajk999
Sin is a byproduct of freewill of this carnal fleshly body which comes with greed, selfishness, lust and all the evils.
The spiritual being will be like Christ himself after he was raised from the dead.

is it beyond the skill of god to create a fleshy body with freewill that does not sin? if not, why didnt he just create that rather than the version he did?

also, would i be right in saying the fallen angels were all spiritual beings yet they also sinned?

Originally posted by stellspalfie
is it beyond the skill of god to create a fleshy body with freewill that does not sin? if not, why didnt he just create that rather than the version he did?

also, would i be right in saying the fallen angels were all spiritual beings yet they also sinned?

What does an angel do to sin? Form the Angels Union? Demand better healthcare?

Originally posted by stellspalfie
is it beyond the skill of god to create a fleshy body with freewill that does not sin? if not, why didnt he just create that rather than the version he did?

also, would i be right in saying the fallen angels were all spiritual beings yet they also sinned?

Is it beyond your skill to create a sandwich more complicated than bread and butter? Of course not. Does that mean you must always eat a complicated sandwich with 10 ingredients?

God must have created life on millions of planets all over the universe with millions of variations.

I cannot answer about fallen angels. I can only reiterate what the Bible said. Christ was greater than the angels after his resurrection. The chosen in Gods Kingdom will have a new spiritual body like Christ. Clearly then that group would be greater than angels.

Originally posted by Rajk999
Is it beyond your skill to create a sandwich more complicated than bread and butter? Of course not. Does that mean you must always eat a complicated sandwich with 10 ingredients?

God must have created life on millions of planets all over the universe with millions of variations.

I cannot answer about fallen angels. I can only reiterate what the Bible s ...[text shortened]... ill have a new spiritual body like Christ. Clearly then that group would be greater than angels.

Is it beyond your skill to create a sandwich more complicated than bread and butter? Of course not. Does that mean you must always eat a complicated sandwich with 10 ingredients?

if i was creating a sentient sandwich that experience love, pain, laughter, fear, joy, despair and death then i would make sure i got the sandwich correct. is that all we are to god, just another sandwich???

God must have created life on millions of planets all over the universe with millions of variations.

'must have' really????? im gonna go out on a limb and suggest this is extra-biblical with zero evidence. a total shot in the dark of an opinion.


cannot answer about fallen angels.

doesnt it strike you as hypocritical and wrong for god to say that he needs to get rid of the fleshy body to get rid of sin when we have evidence that sin occurs in bodies without flesh??? does it not strike you as odd that god has these self in-placed restrictions such as what can cause sin. surely as the creator of everything he decides what causes sin?

Originally posted by stellspalfie
[b]Is it beyond your skill to create a sandwich more complicated than bread and butter? Of course not. Does that mean you must always eat a complicated sandwich with 10 ingredients?

if i was creating a sentient sandwich that experience love, pain, laughter, fear, joy, despair and death then i would make sure i got the sandwich correct. is that al ...[text shortened]... ions such as what can cause sin. surely as the creator of everything he decides what causes sin?[/b]

Maybe we are just another sandwich, but just like the simple bread and butter, we are not going to waste. You enjoy a bread and butter and God will enjoy implementing his plan for us.

Zillions of planets and a God around for zillions of years. Unless his is twiddling his thumbs, he is creating worlds. Open your mind pal. The Bible is a guide but it does not do all my thinking for me.

Hypocritical? No. This life is a test so see who is worthy of progressing beyond into a better world. Hope you make it.

Im done with this thread.

Originally posted by Rajk999
Maybe we are just another sandwich, but just like the simple bread and butter, we are not going to waste. You enjoy a bread and butter and God will enjoy implementing his plan for us.

Zillions of planets and a God around for zillions of years. Unless his is twiddling his thumbs, he is creating worlds. Open your mind pal. The Bible is a guide but it does n ...[text shortened]... worthy of progressing beyond into a better world. Hope you make it.

Im done with this thread.

Im done with this thread



why?

Originally posted by stellspalfie
[b]Im done with this thread



why?[/b]

Arguing with atheists about God is boring.