Predestination and Noah's ark

Originally posted by BigDoggProblem
Statements like this exemplify the moral superiority of religious people over us bass-ackwards heathens. 🙄

Perhaps, a better way to confront this point is - why do we stop caring about people dying when God's doing the killing?

What about justice for the victims? What about stopping the murderers from killing again? In fact, I should ask you the same thing. Why do you stop caring about those people?

Originally posted by KellyJay
You are making judgments about who is good or bad among people not me.

I am making a judgement about your beliefs on this matter based on what you have told me they are.

Originally posted by FMF
I am making a judgement about your beliefs on this matter based on what you have told me they are.

I do not care that you judge me by my words, not a problem. What I said
you are doing is judging good and bad people, and with that judgment
proclaiming God as good or bad.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
I do not care that you judge me by my words, not a problem. What I said
you are doing is judging good and bad people, and with that judgment
proclaiming God as good or bad.

Not really. I am judging your attitude to good and bad people and your endorsement of the execution of them all by a God figure you worship and whose rationale and motives you constantly say you don't understand.

Originally posted by stellspalfie
what do you mean by 'every excuse is being wiped out'?

Matthew 12:
39 He answered, “A wicked and adulterous generation asks for a sign! But none will be given it except the sign of the prophet Jonah. 40 For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. 41 The men of Nineveh will stand up at the judgment with this generation and condemn it; for they repented at the preaching of Jonah, and now something greater than Jonah is here. 42 The Queen of the South will rise at the judgment with this generation and condemn it; for she came from the ends of the earth to listen to Solomon’s wisdom, and now something greater than Solomon is here.

We will stand in judgment, nothing will be hidden, everything will be on
full display. There will be no excuses.
Kelly

Originally posted by FMF
Not really. I am judging your attitude to good and bad people and your endorsement of the execution of them all by a God figure you worship and whose rationale and motives you constantly say you don't understand.

Like I said, judge me if you will. My attitude, not sure how you can go there
but maybe you can. I'm not happy any die, I'm not happy that any will
find themselves being condemned for the wrongs they have done, or worse
for keeping others from being saved. It will happen that some will find that
they will die in their sins, and that will be that for them.

I've no control over things like that, only my actions and attitude I guess.
My hope that God's mercy and grace may be shown to some before they
die so they do not lose out on the great hope before us. There will be more
who die in their sins than those that find the Lord which is very sad in my
opinion. Dying in this life isn't all there is, your views on that I've no idea
since you have rejected what you once held as true.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
Like I said, judge me if you will.

As I said before, you have been clear about the type of thinking that underpins your moral compass. If you were not offering it up for judgement, proudly and confidently, then I imagine you would have kept it to yourself.

Originally posted by whodey
What about justice for the victims? What about stopping the murderers from killing again? In fact, I should ask you the same thing. Why do you stop caring about those people?

I want victims to get justice.
I want to stop murderers from killing again.
I haven't stopped caring about the victims.
I would not be on God's case for offing a bunch of murderers.
But we both know that not all of the humans annihilated in the flood were murderers.
In fact, we even know that some of them were infants - unable to make moral decisions of any kind.
So, that was a nice try, but it is your ethical framework that is morally bankrupt, not mine.

Originally posted by KellyJay
My attitude, not sure how you can go there but maybe you can.

Your attitude is reflected in stuff like:

~ It is a matter of authority, it matters!

~ There isn't an innocent age of protection for children!

~ I don't call it genocide, I call it the judgment of God upon His creation.

~ I don't know what God's purposes were

~ God acted as He saw fit

~ Well, not knowing why God did what He did, I cannot speak to it

~ I trust His judgment not yours

Inexplicable gangsterism + superstition = your unconditional trust in your God figure

This would be part of your "attitude" to my way of thinking.

Originally posted by FMF
Your attitude is reflected in stuff like:

[b]~ It is a matter of authority, it matters!

~ There isn't an innocent age of protection for children!

~ I don't call it genocide, I call it the judgment of God upon His creation.

~ I don't know what God's purposes were

~ God acted as He saw fit

~ Well, not knowing why God did what He did, I cannot sp ...[text shortened]... itional trust in your God figure

This would be part of your "attitude" to my way of thinking.

Works for me, I standby being accused of trusting God, seems like an
honor to me.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
Works for me, I standby being accused of trusting God, seems like an
honor to me.
Kelly

Yes, once upon a time, "In God We Trust" was in the hearts of most Americans. It is only since we have changed this, through some sort of unspoken mutual agreement, to "In Man We Trust", that things have gone to hell in a handbasket.

Originally posted by Suzianne
Yes, once upon a time, "In God We Trust" was in the hearts of most Americans. It is only since we have changed this, through some sort of unspoken mutual agreement, to "In Man We Trust", that things have gone to hell in a handbasket.

'things have gone to hell?' in what way?

Originally posted by Suzianne
Yes, once upon a time, "In God We Trust" was in the hearts of most Americans. It is only since we have changed this, through some sort of unspoken mutual agreement, to "In Man We Trust", that things have gone to hell in a handbasket.

Are you seriously suggesting that your God figure killing countless babies and children with the flood [in your religious literature] because of "sinfulness" and the "sins" of some of their parents was an act worthy of the principles of the "once upon a time" America you apparently pine for? Because that is the context of Kelly Jay's comment to me. Did you read the conversation between Kelly Jay and me before commenting on the specific matter in which Kelly Jay was trusting God?

Originally posted by whodey
What about justice for the victims? What about stopping the murderers from killing again? In fact, I should ask you the same thing. Why do you stop caring about those people?

Vengeance is of the Lord! Sometimes in this life people won't be Brought to justice. Example there are over 200,000 I solved murder cases in th U.S.

Originally posted by FMF
Are you seriously suggesting that your God figure killing countless babies and children with the flood [in your religious literature] because of "sinfulness" and the "sins" of some of their parents was an act worthy of the principles of the "once upon a time" America you apparently pine for? Because that is the context of Kelly Jay's comment to me. Did you read ...[text shortened]... n Kelly Jay and me before commenting on the specific matter in which Kelly Jay was trusting God?

Yes, I read it. Excuse me if your arguments are not the "eye-opener" you think they are. I think they have more to do with massaging your own ego than making any sense. What you trust God about has no bearing on my point, which is that it is far better to trust God than to trust Man. Shoving all your assumptions into my reasons for saying what I said don't change what I said, or give it any more meaning than it had when I said it.

So, obviously, my answer is no, I am not "seriously" suggesting anything that you assume I'm suggesting. What I AM "seriously" suggesting is what I said. I "seriously" wasn't aware that I needed your approval to say it, either.