Premise: Objective morals do not exist

Originally posted by @dj2becker
Hitler knows what he was thinking, we can only speculate.

Oh ok, so you now accept you were merely speculating when you talked the moral intentions of Hitler and his supporters?

Originally posted by @dj2becker
Can any standard that does exist be ragarded as an objective standard in your opinion or is every single standard that exists subjective?

If you have read and understood anything I have written about morality in 2016 and 2017 you already know what my answer is. So you are either really, really dim. Or you're trolling. One or the other.

Originally posted by @avalanchethecat
Oh ok, so you now accept you were merely speculating when you talked the moral intentions of Hitler and his supporters?

So what are you trying to argue here? That we as well as Hitler know that his actions were wrong ?

Originally posted by @dj2becker
So what are you trying to argue here? That we as well as Hitler know that his actions were wrong ?

I was demonstrating that your stated facts were mere speculation.

Originally posted by @dj2becker
So what are you trying to argue here? That we as well as Hitler know that his actions were wrong ?

I did raise one question though. Regarding the source of your objective moral code, if you recall. Accepting that the bible is morally ambivalent on the issue of rape, from where do you derive your certainty that it is always wrong?

Originally posted by @avalanchethecat
I did raise one question though. Regarding the source of your objective moral code, if you recall. Accepting that the bible is morally ambivalent on the issue of rape, from where do you derive your certainty that it is always wrong?

I think the Bible is quite clear on the issue of rape. What 'ambivalence' are you on about?

Originally posted by @fmf
If you have read and understood anything I have written about morality in 2016 and 2017 you already know what my answer is. So you are either really, really dim. Or you're trolling. One or the other.

Another dodge.

Originally posted by @dj2becker
Another dodge.

Not so. The answers you are looking for are on those threads where you and I discussed this stuff previously.

Originally posted by @avalanchethecat
I did raise one question though. Regarding the source of your objective moral code, if you recall. Accepting that the bible is morally ambivalent on the issue of rape, from where do you derive your certainty that it is always wrong?

So if you reject the notion that Hitler had a different morality to yours, do you agree that different cultures have different morals?

Originally posted by @dj2becker
So if you reject the notion that Hitler had a different morality to yours, do you agree that different cultures have different morals?

After 33 pages of this repartee has anyone actually changed their stance?

Originally posted by @dj2becker
I think the Bible is quite clear on the issue of rape. What 'ambivalence' are you on about?

The bible is clear on 'theft', clear on 'bearing false witness', clear on quite a few things, but rape (and slavery)? Not clear at all. Guidance on these issues relies on a certain amount of interpretation, as is evidenced from discussions on these subjects in this forum. Further, you are fully aware of this, so what are you on about?

Originally posted by @dj2becker
So if you reject the notion that Hitler had a different morality to yours, do you agree that different cultures have different morals?

Why do you persist in this duplicitous habit of yours of mischaracterising other posters' positions? You argue in the manner of a caricature of a criminal defence attorney.

Originally posted by @avalanchethecat
Why do you persist in this duplicitous habit of yours of mischaracterising other posters' positions? You argue in the manner of a caricature of a criminal defence attorney.

Maybe if you actually committed to a position there would be no confusion or mischaracterizations.

Originally posted by @avalanchethecat
The bible is clear on 'theft', clear on 'bearing false witness', clear on quite a few things, but rape (and slavery)? Not clear at all. Guidance on these issues relies on a certain amount of interpretation, as is evidenced from discussions on these subjects in this forum. Further, you are fully aware of this, so what are [b] you on about?[/b]

https://www.gotquestions.org/Bible-slavery.html

https://www.gotquestions.org/Bible-rape.html

Originally posted by @dj2becker
https://www.gotquestions.org/Bible-slavery.html

https://www.gotquestions.org/Bible-rape.html

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/greg-carey/slavery-and-the-bible_b_880756.html

http://www.evilbible.com/evil-bible-home-page/rape-in-the-bible/