Pro-Life?

Originally posted by RJHinds
You are the sick one and in need of healing.

It's easy to tell when someone has lost the argument and doesn't like it: they resort to playground taunts.

Can you respond to this? I posted something similar not long ago but it was either missed or deliberately ignored.[edit]Sorry, my mistake, Robbie replied to the post but did not actually answer my questions, just said it was my fault that someone was gullible several thousand years ago. Quite how that relates to God's inaction in the face of thousands of miscarriages every day is beyond me. So it looks like my questions were not missed, just deliberately ignored. So I will ask them again.[/edit]

If I saw a child drowning in a lake and I just had to reach out to pull him to safety, I would not hesitate. Your god concept walks on by a similar situation thousands of times every day.

Therefore, one of the following is true:
- God does not consider the death of the unborn child to be abhorrent.
- God is incapable of preventing the death of an unborn child, despite being the creator of the entire universe and everything in it.
- God is malicious.
- God does not exist.

So which is it?

--- Penguin.

Originally posted by RJHinds
Science fiction mixed with fairy tales. 😀

You mean Genesis? Yes, you're right.
(At last you understand.)

Originally posted by Penguin
But according to your faith, we are God's creation and God is outside time and knows all and sees all. So when God created Adam & Eve, he already knew exactly what they would do. Indeed he made them that way. He is also responsible for putting in place an abominable mechanism whereby the actions of a naive and gullible couple generations ago somehow invokes ...[text shortened]... of billions of unborn children. Fortunately though, he doesn't actually exist.

--- Penguin.

FAIL, Why? irrespective of whether God foresaw the rebellion or not he chose not to
intervene, for it would have settled no issue, not the issue of Gods Universal
sovereignty, that is whether God has the right to set moral limits and thus the creation
was subject to futility, not because of God, but because of those seeking independence
from God and wishing to establish their own morality, thus sin or if you prefer,
imperfection, entered the system and that is why miscarriages and sickness of all sorts
occurs and that is why any reference you attempt to make to God as the
perpetrator of any murderous act is an instant FAIL.

You are the sicko, attempting to justify the unlawful killing of millions of human beings
under the guise of convenience, sickest thing i think I've heard to be honest and the
most selfish, its all right for you to have life but not other people?

Originally posted by nook7
one of the most bizarre statements l have ever read from you.

nothing bizarre about it, all who support the abortion are guilty through association in a
moral sense.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
nothing bizarre about it, all who support the abortion are guilty through association in a
moral sense.

This from someone who follows a faith that denies it's adherents life-giving blood transfusions?

Originally posted by avalanchethecat
This from someone who follows a faith that denies it's adherents life-giving blood transfusions?

that is a matter of self determination, not deliberately taking life in a premeditated act
of murder, another weak and beggarly attempt to circumvent the reality of moral
relativism and its horrendous disrespect for human life.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
that is a matter of self determination, not deliberately taking life in a premeditated act
of murder, another weak and beggarly attempt to circumvent the reality of moral
relativism and its horrendous disrespect for human life.

Says the man who would refuse to give a blood transfusion to save the life of one of his own children.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
Says the man who would refuse to give a blood transfusion to save the life of one of his own children.

At least my children were allowed to be children and didn't have the right taken away
from them because of convenience! another weak and beggarly argument intended to
mask the horror of materialistic thinking which views life as a mere collection of cells,
horrendous!

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
...
You are the sicko, attempting to justify the unlawful killing of millions of human beings
under the guise of convenience, sickest thing i think I've heard to be honest and the
most selfish, its all right for you to have life but not other people?

I am not trying to justify abortions here, I am saying that

If the death of an unborn child is an abomination.
Then your God concept is culpable for thousands of such deaths every single day.
Because he is perfectly capable of preventing those deaths.

I personally do not knowingly cause any of those deaths (and I don't think anybody else does either) and I would be unable to prevent them if I did. God may not cause them but he is aware of them and he is capable of preventing them. therefore he is culpable for allowing them to happen.

--- Penguin.

Originally posted by Penguin
I am not trying to justify abortions here, I am saying that

[b]If the death of an unborn child is an abomination.
Then your God concept is culpable for thousands of such deaths every single day.
Because he is perfectly capable of preventing those deaths.

I personally do not knowingly cause any of those deaths (and I don't think anyb ...[text shortened]... pable of preventing them. therefore he is culpable for allowing them to happen.

--- Penguin.[/b]

I have already explained and i will not do so again, imperfection and aberration was
brought into the world when humankind rebelled, seeking moral independence, God
has merely let time go by so that the issue of universal sovereignty and Gods right to
dictate morality shall be settled, clearly it was not subject to futility by God, but through
the act of rebellion. You are capable of going to some beleaguered nation and helping
someone who is starving, does that make you culpable for every death due to
starvation if you dont intervene, for that is what you are saying.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
that is a matter of self determination, not deliberately taking life in a premeditated act
of murder, another weak and beggarly attempt to circumvent the reality of moral
relativism and its horrendous disrespect for human life.

Regardless of your florid protestations, your actions and those of your brethren condemn innocents to death.

edit - considering this, your comment regarding 'horrendous disrespect for human life' must surely seem ill-considered?

Originally posted by avalanchethecat
Regardless of your florid protestations, your actions and those of your brethren condemn innocents to death.

we have condemned no one to death, each individual is free to chose the right of self
determination, that is a personal choice, please note the term personal, it does not
condemn other people to death, a rather fatal flaw in your argument! Florid, I like!

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
At least my children were allowed to be children and didn't have the right taken away
from them because of convenience! another weak and beggarly argument intended to
mask the horror of materialistic thinking which views life as a mere collection of cells,
horrendous!

Doesn't cut it, your sick religious views show the same contempt for human life.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
we have condemned no one to death, each individual is free to chose the right of self
determination, that is a personal choice, please note the term personal, it does not
condemn other people to death, a rather fatal flaw in your argument! Florid, I like!

So you advocate personal choice to follow your faith and condemn children to death or not follow and respect their right to life? And yet you feel justified crying 'murder' at the rape-victim's (who has for the sake of argument made the choice to not follow your religion) choice of abortion?

Originally posted by avalanchethecat
Regardless of your florid protestations, your actions and those of your brethren condemn innocents to death.

That's part of his schizoid personality. The one he shares with all other members of JW cult.