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08 Jun 17
Originally posted by karoly aczelYou have a wise head on your shoulders. 😉
Once again you are generalizing.
I would submit that the N.Z. and aussie systems aren't all that different.
I have been in mental health care for a decade. Seen and talked to many other patients, had around a dozen consellors myself.
Been on r'zone , and 3 of the main other psych meds.
None of them worked on me however I did know a few people who ...[text shortened]... ut good mental health professionals have helped me come to that point.
Ghost being one of them
Originally posted by karoly aczelSo you spent years being medicated under trained professionals belief of an illness you did not have. You know why there is no test for schizophrenia? Because it is make-believe.
Once again you are generalizing.
I would submit that the N.Z. and aussie systems aren't all that different.
I have been in mental health care for a decade. Seen and talked to many other patients, had around a dozen consellors myself.
Been on r'zone , and 3 of the main other psych meds.
None of them worked on me however I did know a few people who ...[text shortened]... ut good mental health professionals have helped me come to that point.
Ghost being one of them
08 Jun 17
Originally posted by Ghost of a DukeI am yet to see one who has benefited and over the last few years I have met quite a few. Maybe the family benefits because they have become useless unable to form coherent sentences or moan or care.
It happens every day. I have many schizophrenic clients who are doing well on medication and have broken the pattern of mental health relapse and hospital admission.
You talk about relapse of mental illness, blaming your victims,but how many of them are dependent on life killing drugs because of the reactions when stopping the meds like any other drug user? Why is this not a concern of any psychiatrist even when they jump off the bridge round here and kill themselves during this time you have endangered their lives without any form of support that any other drug user can readily receive?
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08 Jun 17
Originally posted by Executioner BrandThe schizophrenics you have encountered have been on hospitals wards, so it's hardly surprising you have found them unwell and anti-medication. Coming off their prescribed medication is most likely the reason they are in hospital in the first place.
I am yet to see one who has benefited and over the last few years I have met quite a few. Maybe the family benefits because they have become useless unable to form coherent sentences or moan or care.
You talk about relapse of mental illness, blaming your victims,but how many of them are dependent on life killing drugs because of the reactions w ...[text shortened]... endangered their lives without any form of support that any other drug user can readily receive?
On the other hand, I see hundreds of clients a week who are coping well in the community, taking their medication as prescribed and getting on with their lives. As I've said previously, there is no miracle tablet and other treatments and occupations are essential to maintain a stable mental health.
Your own experiences have rendered you highly bias against prescribed medication and blinded you to the huge benefit it gives a great many people. (One of whom I saw less than 30 minutes ago).
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Originally posted by Executioner BrandYou are giving the dictionary definition of brainwashing, not prescribed medication.
THE drugs manipulates and modifies a person’s emotions, attitudes, and beliefs.” It reduces a person’s ability to mentally defend themselves and makes it easier for another person to control them
08 Jun 17
Originally posted by Executioner BrandI had and still do have schizophrenic- like symptoms.
So you spent years being medicated under trained professionals belief of an illness you did not have. You know why there is no test for schizophrenia? Because it is make-believe.
I was on meds for maybe a year, tops. But that was like 9 years ago.
I agree that schizophrenia is a much misunderstood problem.
But I don't think the symptoms are fake.
This reminds me of djbecker on the other thread (Christians/Muslims).
In his story it is clear that people need to take control of their own lives. Similarly, mental health patients should try to make sense of what is happening according to their own evaluation first.
If one gives away their power of evaluation completely to someone else - be it a pastor or a shrink - then dire consequences will follow.
11 Jun 17
Originally posted by Ghost of a DukeSo the ones I was living with in a half-way house that threw a hot cup of coffee over an 80+ year old ladies face and knifed another tenant up were what? The medication they were on didn't stop them being a danger to others when in reality it probably caused these outbursts when unable to make good decisions due to excommunication of their bodies natural drugs.
The schizophrenics you have encountered have been on hospitals wards, so it's hardly surprising you have found them unwell and anti-medication. Coming off their prescribed medication is most likely the reason they are in hospital in the first place.
On the other hand, I see hundreds of clients a week who are coping well in the community, taking th ...[text shortened]... to the huge benefit it gives a great many people. (One of whom I saw less than 30 minutes ago).
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11 Jun 17
Originally posted by Executioner BrandObviously they were on the wrong medication or the wrong dosage.
So the ones I was living with in a half-way house that threw a hot cup of coffee over an 80+ year old ladies face and knifed another tenant up were what? The medication they were on didn't stop them being a danger to others when in reality it probably caused these outbursts when unable to make good decisions due to excommunication of their bodies natural drugs.
You can talk till you're blue in the face, but that won't change the fact that for a great many people anti-psychotic medication has changed their lives for the better.
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Originally posted by Ghost of a Dukeobviously...
Obviously they were on the wrong medication or the wrong dosage.
You can talk till you're blue in the face, but that won't change the fact that for a great many people anti-psychotic medication has changed their lives for the better.
I also met one's on the hospital ward and have seen some of them after. They can hardly even have a conversation with you cause they are so doped up on anti-psychotic medications. I don't think their lives have changed for the better but that is a delusion psychs like you live with when they believe they are healing people with execution drugs.
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11 Jun 17
Originally posted by Executioner BrandAgain, I see hundreds of patients a week.
obviously...
I also met one's on the hospital ward and have seen some of them after. They can hardly even have a conversation with you cause they are so doped up on anti-psychotic medications. I don't think their lives have changed for the better but that is a delusion psychs like you live with when they believe they are healing people with execution drugs.
Your frugal examples are quite meaningless.
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Originally posted by Ghost of a DukeWhy are the real world examples I have encountered meaningless? Because it doesn't fit in with your delusions? What about the many in care of people like you who end up hanging from a rope? Are their lives meaningless too?
Again, I see hundreds of patients a week.
Your frugal examples are quite meaningless.
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11 Jun 17
Originally posted by Executioner BrandThe hundreds of people i see a week are also 'real world examples' whether you wish to admit it or not.
Why are the real world examples I have encountered meaningless? Because it doesn't fit in with your delusions? What about the many in care of people like you who end up hanging from a rope? Are their lives meaningless too?
11 Jun 17
Originally posted by Ghost of a DukeYou seem to be obsessed on wanting others to see the positives in psychiatry whilst ignoring the many negatives. I can't accept your beliefs that hundreds of people are gaining a positive life because of your work when around here they end up dead in the river or become violent which they never chose to do till in your care and medicated with drugs that don't cure anything and expected to live your delusion that everything is cured because they don't have the natural drugs to care or feel anymore.
The hundreds of people i see a week are also 'real world examples' whether you wish to admit it or not.
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Why would I believe an extremist when the facts say something completely different. I will continue to look at the facts that the people on anti-psychotic drugs have become redundant in life and people nobody wants to put in the extra effort to be around or hire in a job because of the spaced-out planet you put them on..