Putting the cart before the horse.

Originally posted by Rajk999
Squiffy [first time I heard that word] or not. It is what the Bible says. Christianity does not like it either because pastors make less money when they preach the truth. The rich pastors preach nice sugar coated false doctrines.

The Bible says:

[i]Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Whom God hath set f ...[text shortened]... deserves it.
Forgiveness is not automatic and a foregone conclusion as Christians would claim.

The bible also says:

'For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast.' - Ephesians 2:8-9

Originally posted by Ghost of a Duke
The bible also says:

'For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast.' - Ephesians 2:8-9

Yes, it does and its a nice oneliner to quote in support of 1/2 of the truth.

Not too many verses down the warning is that if you continue to sin then there is no part of eternal life for that person.

Now that constitutes the whole truth, and Christians who are interested in the whole truth will read the whole story.

Originally posted by Rajk999
Yes, it does and its a nice oneliner to quote in support of 1/2 of the truth.

Not too many verses down the warning is that if you continue to sin then there is no part of eternal life for that person.

Now that constitutes the whole truth, and Christians who are interested in the whole truth will read the whole story.

It is by grace you are saved not of yourselves. Christians look to Christ.

I'm going to be honest with you; after many years of reading your posts, I've grown to suspect that you are not actually a Christian. I don't mean this in a look down ones nose kind of way, I mean this in a I suspect you could be a troll kind of way.

Originally posted by divegeester
It is by grace you are saved not of yourselves. Christians look to Christ.

I'm going to be honest with you; after many years of reading your posts, I've grown to suspect that you are not actually a Christian. I don't mean this in a look down ones nose kind of way, I mean this in a I suspect you could be a troll kind of way.

Im going to be honest with you. What you think of me personally is of no consequence.

As for looking to Christ ..
Christ makes his abode with those who follow his commandments.
Christ will call into his Kingdom, those who follow his commandments.
Christ will send the Comfortor to those who follow his commandments
Christ's friends are those who ..... take a guess
Christ loves those who ... take another guess.

So look to Christ all you want. Chrisst will look the other way if you dont follow his commandments.

Originally posted by Rajk999
Squiffy or not. It is what the Bible says.

No, squiffy or not, it is what YOU say. Everyone has their own interpretation, and obviously, some are wrong, and some are more wrong than others. But to those like you, who make the Bible their God, the words have more meaning than the man.

You're like RJHinds when he claimed that "God meant this", or "God meant that", when that clearly wasn't the case. People lean unto their OWN "understanding" of the Bible, then they claim that God says this or that, when HE didn't, THEY did.

Originally posted by Rajk999
Im going to be honest with you. What you think of me personally is of no consequence.

Unfortunately for you it is of consequence. Your credibility as a "Christian" commentator in this forum is based on your readers believing you have some skin in the game. I am truthfully beginning to doubt you.

Originally posted by divegeester
Unfortunately for you it is of consequence. Your credibility as a "Christian" commentator in this forum is based on your readers believing you have some skin in the game. I am truthfully beginning to doubt you.

Cool .. mosey on down the road then 😀

Originally posted by Rajk999
Cool .. mosey on down the road then 😀

No thanks, I'll stand and contend for the truth of the gospel of Jesus Christ as I have done ever since I've been here.

Originally posted by divegeester
No thanks, I'll stand and contend for the truth of the gospel of Jesus Christ as I have done ever since I've been here.

Cool .. contend then.

Originally posted by Rajk999
Cool .. contend then.

Back to your credibility then...

Originally posted by divegeester
Back to your credibility then...

Carry on talking pal ..😀
Do you need an audience?
Are you that needy or lacking in confidence?
Speak!
I dont need you to listen or read what I say.
I say it anyway
Maybe you need some of my guts .. I have a lot.

Originally posted by Rajk999
Carry on talking pal ..😀
Do you need an audience?
Are you that needy or lacking in confidence?
Speak!
I dont need you to listen or read what I say.
I say it anyway
Maybe you need some of my guts .. I have a lot.

You need an audience, for that you need credibility.

Originally posted by Rajk999
Carry on talking pal ..😀
Do you need an audience?
Are you that needy or lacking in confidence?
Speak!
I dont need you to listen or read what I say.
I say it anyway
Maybe you need some of my guts .. I have a lot.

Sorry to hear sir of your excessive gut problem.

May I suggest a low protein diet and jogging?

Originally posted by Ghost of a Duke
Sorry to hear sir of your excessive gut problem.

May I suggest a low protein diet and jogging?

Sorry to see that you are unable to respond to my post.

Originally posted by Rajk999
Sorry to see that you are unable to respond to my post.

More than able to sir, but not legally required to do so.


(Heads up. Specifying what verse you are referring to might secure a response).