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Putting the cart before the horse.

Putting the cart before the horse.

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I wrote:


The non-sinning life comes from and ONLY from the life of that divine SEED.

Rajk999
The Bible never says any divine seed comes first.


Yes it does. That is why RECEIVED HIM preceeds havng the authority to be CHILDREN OF GOD .

Receiving Him and being born of Him comes first before having authority to be God's "organic" child in life and nature.


On the contrary in the very same chapter, 1 Peter 1 and in 1 John 3, both writers say this:

1 Pe 1:22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:


As the man obeys the life of that indwelling seed his SOUL is transformed. This transformation Peter calls purifying the soul.

Of course as the divine seed spreads its life and influence over ,more and more of the soul, the soul is sanctified, transformed, conformed to the image of Christ, and "purified".

There is no contradiction.

In the letter of First John John tells us of different levels of maturity:

children,
young men,
fathers.

All have been begotten of God and all have received the divine seed.
Obviously the levels of maturity of his audience varies.
And the levels of purification of the soul in its sanctifying process vary.

Of course "obedience to the truth" facilitates this growth as opposed to disobedience to the truth.


Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure. (1 John 3:2-3 KJV)


There is no contradiction whatsoever by 1 John 3:2-3.
You are imagining a FALSE discrepancy.


According to Peter you purify yourself by obeying Christ and demonstrating love for each other.


The life power of the seed is the power enabling us to obey Christ.
There is no contradiction and you are inventing a FALSE controversy.

Receiving the Divine Seed is not verses obeying the life emanating from that divine seed. To cooperate with that inwardly implanted seed is to overcome.

As Peter says obedience to the truth purifies the soul so James says the implanted word is able to SAVE the soul.

James 1:21 -

" Therefore putting away all filthiness and abundance of malice,

receive with meekness the implanted word, which is able to save your souls."


This the saving of the soul in transformation, purification, and dispositional sanctification.

The word is "ABLE". The power of purification is the word. And like a SEED the living word is planted or "IMPLANTED". And we should receive it with meekness.

This receiving in meekness is receiving everyday its influence in our souls.


John says you purify yourself if you want to see Christ in the Kingdom of God. But if you continue to sin you are of the devil and not of God


That has no contradictory issue against anything i wrote.
One cannot see the kingdom of God unless he first is BORN of that divine seed.


Contrary to what you preach there is no magic seed that God puts into anyone.


Contrary to your lame criticism we have thousands of local churches where saints are living and learning to live by the divine seed and being built up together.

As far as I can see you are so isolated and individualistic. Perhaps you're so short of the divine love that you get along with no other people but yourself.

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Here is what is clear in the teachings of Christ and the Aposltes: IF you follow Christs commandments then God will make his abode with you.


There is no contradiction here to realizing that the abiding BEGINS with the implantation of the word and the planting of the SEED of God's life.

Paul said PLANTING had to occur and WATERING had to occur and that God gives the GROWTH of the life in the believers.

" I planted [the divine life seed], Apollos watered [the divine life seed]. but GOD gave the growth. ...

So then neither is he who plants
[the seed] and he who waters [the seed] anything, but God who causes the growth." (See 1 Cor. 3:6,7)


You are trying always to insist that trusting in God's implanted divine life is to seek to disobey that life. That is the false dichotomy of your bad teaching.

Paul says the Christian absolutely BEGINS in the Spirit and must go on to be perfected by the same Spirit. Striving in the religious flesh apart from the Spirit is no way to go on.

" Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh ?" (Gal. 3:3)


NO indeed. Having begun by the birth because of the Holy Spirit we are perfected by continuing to allow through obedience that Holy Spirit to grow, spread, deepen, permeate our souls.

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