Originally posted by KellyJayI am still concerned that you do not understand the question. I do not really want to know whether God requires punishment for wrongs done as that is already more or less established or taken on assumption for the sake of the discussion.
I would ask you in any kingdom of man if I were to
attack a ruler of any kingdom would the punishment for such an act be
greater than if were to attack the least in that kingdom?
What I want to know is why he requires such punishment and whether the punishment serves any known purpose or whether you merely take it on faith that there is a purpose or whether you simply don't know whether there is a purpose.
Drawing analogies to human kingdoms simply doesn't help because with human kingdoms the reasons for punishment is well known and those reasons cannot be applied to the punishment we are talking about.
Originally posted by twhiteheadIt's easy for any kingdom the people have to follow the laws or receive the punishment even if it's being thrown out of it, it's as simple as that.
I am still concerned that you do not understand the question. I do not really want to know whether God requires punishment for wrongs done as that is already more or less established or taken on assumption for the sake of the discussion.
What I want to know is why he requires such punishment and whether the punishment serves any known purpose or whether ...[text shortened]... ment is well known and those reasons cannot be applied to the punishment we are talking about.
Originally posted by twhiteheadI believe all actions will recieve what they deserve, good deeds and
I am still concerned that you do not understand the question. I do not really want to know whether God requires punishment for wrongs done as that is already more or less established or taken on assumption for the sake of the discussion.
What I want to know is why he requires such punishment and whether the punishment serves any known purpose or whether ...[text shortened]... ment is well known and those reasons cannot be applied to the punishment we are talking about.
bad, the trouble is that God is setting up an eternal Kingdom and
those found not fit will be rejected for the wrongs that they have done,
and there will be no do overs once judgment is rendered.
Kelly
Originally posted by daniel58No, its not so easy. There is no such general rule as 'the people have to follow the laws or receive the punishment', and whenever there is a rule about punishment there is a purpose behind that punishment that is more than just 'thats the way it is'. I am merely inquiring whether you know what that reason is, and it appears that in your case you do not know that reason either for Gods punishment or for mans punishment. You simply believe that 'thats the way it is'.
It's easy for any kingdom the people have to follow the laws or receive the punishment even if it's being thrown out of it, it's as simple as that.
Originally posted by KellyJayI know that you believe that. You have said it a number of times now. All I was asking is whether you know why that is the case. Clearly you don't, but don't seem to want to explicitly say so. You also appear to think that it is self evident that it should be so.
I believe all actions will recieve what they deserve, good deeds and
bad, the trouble is that God is setting up an eternal Kingdom and
those found not fit will be rejected for the wrongs that they have done,
and there will be no do overs once judgment is rendered.
Kelly
Originally posted by twhiteheadJustice.
No, its not so easy. There is no such general rule as 'the people have to follow the laws or receive the punishment', and whenever there is a rule about punishment there is a purpose behind that punishment that is more than just 'thats the way it is'. I am merely inquiring whether you know what that reason is, and it appears that in your case you do not k ...[text shortened]... for Gods punishment or for mans punishment. You simply believe that 'thats the way it is'.