04 Feb 12
Originally posted by RJHindsIf the age of the universe is young but appears to be old this is deceptive and I don't believe God to be deceptive. This means there is some other answer.
God does not change. That is not true of anything else.
P.S. Well maybe, even God can change His mind.
Manny
04 Feb 12
Originally posted by RJHindsI told you there was no ice on earth before the flood of Noah's day.
I told you there was no ice on earth before the flood of Noah's day.
So that is your starting date and nobody knows exactly when that was,
but it was not 200,000 years ago. I estimate a few thousand years
ago. Much can happen in just a few thousand years when you have
God working behind the scenes. HalleluYah !!!
Prove it!!
No one believes a word you say, you've been exposed as a lying cheat, you have zero credibility. Couple that with the fact you are one of the most moronic dumbass's to ever frequent this forum. You don't know you're arse from your elbow Ron, the fact you think you can lecture people on scientific understandings when you admit to having done zero research reaffirms your persona as a arrogant bigot. You are quite simply a disgrace.
04 Feb 12
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Originally posted by menace71It is we that deceive ourselves. God has been straight forward in telling us
If the age of the universe is young but appears to be old this is deceptive and I don't believe God to be deceptive. This means there is some other answer.
Manny
what He has done and what he will do through the prophets. We sometimes
refuse to believe Him and prefer to believe our lying eyes. This happens
with men all the time through what we call illusions, hallucinations, dreams,
and mirages, as examples. It is through our lack of knowledge that we are
deceived and not through the direct work of God even though it may seem
that way to the unwise. 😏
04 Feb 12
Originally posted by twhiteheadAll dating methods except human records share the same issues, as I have
No, I did no such thing. So, what is your alternative explanation?
I must point out that verification of ice core data can be done using other methods including written history (which is well over 2000 years, not 100 as you suggest), tree rings (I don't know what period this covers but it goes a long way back), carbon dating, and many others. Your ridi ...[text shortened]... st keep repeating it in the hope that it will make more sense the more you say it. It doesn't.
told you over and over! Can you trust that you have all the necessary data
to grasp what it is you’re looking at, that no variable is not what it seems to
you, or you are not looking at all that is required? If you want to tell me yes,
fine by me that you happy with what you think you know, and you are sure
enough about what you do not know that you can live your conclusions.
My explanation for what? That you can test something and get the same
results?
Kelly
04 Feb 12
Originally posted by KellyJayWhy do you think it is that the scientific community, bar a few religious fundamentalists, have concluded that the earth and universe is not thousands of years old but rather billions? How come they have got it so drastically wrong?
All dating methods except human records share the same issues, as I have
told you over and over! Can you trust that you have all the necessary data
to grasp what it is you’re looking at, that no variable is not what it seems to
you, or you are not looking at all that is required? If you want to tell me yes,
fine by me that you happy with what you think ...[text shortened]... sions.
My explanation for what? That you can test something and get the same
results?
Kelly
04 Feb 12
Originally posted by Proper KnobOnly morons, like you, would possibly believe that the earth moon and sun
[b]I told you there was no ice on earth before the flood of Noah's day.
Prove it!!
No one believes a word you say, you've been exposed as a lying cheat, you have zero credibility. Couple that with the fact you are one of the most moronic dumbass's to ever frequent this forum. You don't know you're arse from your elbow Ron, the fact you think yo ...[text shortened]... zero research reaffirms your persona as a arrogant bigot. You are quite simply a disgrace.[/b]
with all its laws could come together by accident in just the right way to
provide the right habitat for supporting all the different kinds of complex
forms of life, by accident. Man can not create any of this on pupose. That
is because it is too complicated for his punny brain to understand. Yet,
because many are such evil morons they say it all happened by accident.
Can anyone be more ignorant than a Proper Knob? Of course not. Sorry.
Just joking with you. 😀
04 Feb 12
Originally posted by RJHindsOuch, i predict a riot
Only morons, like you, would possibly believe that the earth moon and sun
with all its laws could come together by accident in just the right way to
provide the right habitat for supporting all the different kinds of complex
forms of life, by accident. Man can not create any of this on pupose. That
is because it is too complicated for his punny brain t ...[text shortened]... anyone be more ignorant than a Proper Knob? Of course not. Sorry.
Just joking with you. 😀
05 Feb 12
Originally posted by karoly aczelhe also has to believe that water mist didn't exist, or that it had different physical properties since there were no rainbows before the flood.
What? Not even in refrigerators?
Seriously. You say that no ice existed on Earth? or that the possibility of ice forming was not there??
05 Feb 12
Originally posted by RJHindsIt's an absolute fact that the speed of light is what it is. So either God is a deceiver or once again there is some other explanation.
It is we that deceive ourselves. God has been straight forward in telling us
what He has done and what he will do through the prophets. We sometimes
refuse to believe Him and prefer to believe our lying eyes. This happens
with men all the time through what we call illusions, hallucinations, dreams,
and mirages, as examples. It is through our lack of k ...[text shortened]... ived and not through the direct work of God even though it may seem
that way to the unwise. 😏
Manny
05 Feb 12
Originally posted by karoly aczelThen God said, “Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it
What? Not even in refrigerators?
Seriously. You say that no ice existed on Earth? or that the possibility of ice forming was not there??
divide the waters from the waters.” Thus God made the firmament, and divided
the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the
firmament; and it was so. And God called the firmament Heaven. So the evening
and the morning were the second day.
Then God said, “Let the waters under the heavens be gathered together into one
place, and let the dry land appear”; and it was so. And God called the dry
land Earth, and the gathering together of the waters He called Seas. And God
saw that it was good.
(Genesis 1:6-10 NKJV)
The firmament Heaven with the waters above it prevented extreme heat and cold.
So it never got cold enough for the water below the firmament to freeze.
For the Lord God had not caused it to rain on the earth, and there was no man
to till the ground; but a mist went up from the earth and watered the whole
face of the ground.
(Genesis 2:5-6 NKJV)
There was water in the seas and rivers and water under the earth, but the water
above the firmament Heaven was sheilding the earth and providing insulation to
the earth. It was not being used to water the earth at this time. But at the
time of Noah's flood the following incident is recorded in the Holy Bible:
In the six hundredth year of Noah’s life, in the second month, the seventeenth
day of the month, on that day all the fountains of the great deep were broken
up, and the windows of heaven were opened. And the rain was on the earth forty
days and forty nights.
(genesis 7:11-12 NKJV)
So waters came out of the broken cracks in the earth from the water deep
under the earth and all that water that was above the firmament Heaven came
down as rain. With no more water above the earth, extreme cold and heat was
now on the earth. That is when the flood waters began to freeze on certain
areas of the earth. We now have ice.
05 Feb 12
Originally posted by Proper KnobIt fits their world views.
Why do you think it is that the scientific community, bar a few religious fundamentalists, have concluded that the earth and universe is not thousands of years old but rather billions? How come they have got it so drastically wrong?
Kelly
05 Feb 12
Originally posted by KellyJayTelling me over and over doesn't make it right. You give no reasonable argument to support such a claim. Why are human records any different?
All dating methods except human records share the same issues, as I have
told you over and over!
Can you trust that you have all the necessary data to grasp what it is you’re looking at, that no variable is not what it seems to you, or you are not looking at all that is required?
Yes.
If you want to tell me yes, fine by me that you happy with what you think you know, and you are sure enough about what you do not know that you can live your conclusions.
So whats the problem? You say there are issues then essentially withdraw the claim. Do you now accept that ice core data is accurate?
My explanation for what? That you can test something and get the same
results?
Kelly
Your alternative explanation for the ice core data. You asked whether or not there were any other reasonable alternative explanations. I said no. You don't accept my 'no' but you cant point us to even one alternative explanation.