Religion is flawed because man is flawed

@fmf said
Be that as it may, KellyJay, but - like I said - presumably this is now the end of you bellyaching hypocritically - and disingenuously, I might add - about people "making it personal" on this forum.

If I point to something and say clear it up with this, how is that making it personal?
If all you give me is your opinion against mine, how is that not personal?
I don't recall ever calling your views toxic; maybe you can point to some time I did.
If it is always opinions versus opinions, we are talking about each other; if there is
not a way to measure it outside of ourselves; that is all it ever will be.

@kellyjay said
If all you give me is your opinion against mine, how is that not personal?

All we ever do here is share our personal opinions.

@kellyjay said
I don't recall ever calling your views toxic; maybe you can point to some time I did.

If you don't feel any of my views are toxic, then there is no need for you to describe them as such. If you do feel any of my views are toxic, then you should be candid about it.

@kellyjay said
If it is always opinions versus opinions, we are talking about each other; if there isnot a way to measure it outside of ourselves; that is all it ever will be.

Well, it IS just "opinions versus opinions" KellyJay. How you "measure" your opinions or my opinions is just another opinion on your part.

-Removed-

Congratulations are in order (I guess)!

You've graduated from Chief Gaslighter directly to Liar Extraordinaire!

@fmf said
Well, it IS just "opinions versus opinions" KellyJay. How you "measure" your opinions or my opinions is just another opinion on your part.

No, not even close at all; we measure opinions by how they line up with reality,
those that do not, those that conflict with themselves as in suggesting two
opposing opinions are true at the same time and are flawed. It doesn't matter who
holds what views they are all measured by these how accurate they are to the
things under discussion and other methods of logic.

@kellyjay said
No, not even close at all; we measure opinions by how they line up with reality,
those that do not, those that conflict with themselves as in suggesting two
opposing opinions are true at the same time and are flawed.

we measure opinions by how they line up with reality

We are talking about supernatural things, KellyJay, about which we can only speculate. So, [1] your assertion about what is "reality" and your assertions about whether [2] your opinions "line up" with it, is merely subjectivity heaped upon subjectivity, no matter how certain you are about your faith.

@kellyjay said
It doesn't matter who
holds what views they are all measured by these how accurate they are to the
things under discussion and other methods of logic.

"How accurate" your "views" are when you "measure" them is all industrial-grade subjectivity, KellyJay.

@fmf said
we measure opinions by how they line up with reality

We are talking about supernatural things, KellyJay, about which we can only speculate. So, [1] your assertion about what is "reality" and your assertions about whether [2] your opinions "line up" with it, is merely subjectivity heaped upon subjectivity, no matter how certain you are about your faith.

If supernatural things are real then reality will reflect that don’t you think 🤔? Simply because we view something as not a normal occurrence doesn’t rule it out as not possible.

@kellyjay said
If supernatural things are real then reality will reflect that don’t you think 🤔? Simply because we view something as not a normal occurrence doesn’t rule it out as not possible.

If if if if if if if if if if if if if if

@fmf said
If if if if if if if if if if if if if if

It’s all if!

-Removed-

What scripture do you go to for justifying treating her like that?