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Originally posted by chaney3
I understand your point, but at what point are we to 'believe' a simple sentence at face value?

Why the need to extract a different 'meaning' from 5 words? Maybe He meant exactly what He said.

What interests me, in this case, is how when people like what Jesus says, and can do it, they take His words at face value.

Yet, when Jesus says something difficult, they immediately search for their own interpretation and 'assume' that He really didn't mean it.

Interpreting His words to suit them.

"Go and sin no more".

Seems clear.

Originally posted by Rajk999
Jesus meant the exact words. Just because he knows that many cannot do it in no way can be interpreted that he did not mean it... thats a nonsense view.

Go and sin no more is what Jesus wants.
What Jesus will get and what he knows he will get is a bunch of imperfect sinful people.
He will know how to judge.

The problem lies that if Jesus wanted man to be sinless, while 'knowing' this was not possible, would it really be fair to judge them for falling short of something that was never really attainable?

It's like wanting my 3 year old nephew to quote Shakespeare, while knowing this is something way beyond his capabilities, but then judging him (punishing him) when all he can quote is 'the wheels on the bus.'

Originally posted by Ghost of a Duke
The problem lies that if Jesus wanted man to be sinless, while 'knowing' this was not possible, would it really be fair to judge them for falling short of something that was never really attainable?

It's like wanting my 3 year old nephew to quote Shakespeare, while knowing this is something way beyond his capabilities, but then judging him (punishing him) when all he can quote is 'the wheels on the bus.'

Who said it is not possible to live sin free?

This is the question.

Originally posted by chaney3
Who said it is not possible to live sin free?

This is the question.

Have you ever met such a person?

Originally posted by divegeester
Here's what you said to Chaney3 in response to him asking you to explain your "synopsis"

[b]"In a nutshell Jesus was saying that everyone who commits sin is the slave of sin and that his true disciples will be freed from committing sin."

It is neither a "nutshell" of truth nor is there any such thing as "true disciples". You are completely wrong, but if you are enjoying trolling Chaney3 please feel free to carry on.[/b]

Listen, it's really simple. Why are you trying to pretend that you don't understand the situation?

c3 asked me to tell him what the following text was saying:

John 8
34Jesus answered them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is the slave of sin.
31...If you continue in My word, then you are truly disciples of Mine; 32and you will know the truth, and the truth will make you free...
36...So if the Son makes you free, you will be free indeed..
51...Truly, truly, I say to you, if anyone keeps My word he will never see death”.

I responded with the following synopsis of the above text:

In a nutshell Jesus was saying that everyone who commits sin is the slave of sin and that his true disciples will be freed from committing sin."

If that synopsis of the text from John 8 is "completely incorrect", then you should have no problem in show exactly how I misrepresented the words and phrases of Jesus from John 8 and provide what you believe to be the "correct" representation of those words and phrases.

If you can't do that, then your beef is with Jesus, not me.

So either demonstrate how my synopsis is essentially different from the above words of Jesus or admit that you don't believe what Jesus said there.

Originally posted by ThinkOfOne
Listen, it's really simple. Why are you trying to pretend that you don't understand the situation?

c3 asked me to tell him what the following text was saying:
[quote]John 8
34Jesus answered them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is the slave of sin.
31...If you continue in My word, then you are truly disciples of Mine; 32and ...[text shortened]... y different from the above words of Jesus or admit that you don't believe what Jesus said there.

I know what you are saying you are saying, but I'm saying that the scripture you quoted simply and demonstrably does not say what you are claiming it does.

You are not a Christian, you don't know your Bible and you are a troll.

Originally posted by chaney3
What interests me, in this case, is how when people like what Jesus says, and can do it, they take His words at face value.

Yet, when Jesus says something difficult, they immediately search for their own interpretation and 'assume' that He really didn't mean it.

Interpreting His words to suit them.

"Go and sin no more".

Seems clear.

What interests me is how can claim in your first ever post in this forum that you have always been a Christian, and subsequently spend your entire time attacking the Bible.

Have you decided if you are a Christian or not?

Originally posted by divegeester
I know what you are saying you are saying, but I'm saying that the scripture you quoted simply and demonstrably does not say what you are claiming it does.

You are not a Christian, you don't know your Bible and you are a troll.

Intolerance at its finest.
Your interpretations and beliefs are correct.
All others are trolls.
Who says you are right Dive?

Originally posted by divegeester
What interests me is how can claim in your first ever post in this forum that you have always been a Christian, and subsequently spend your entire time attacking the Bible.

Have you decided if you are a Christian or not?

You would rather attack, than to defend the Bible.
Your immaturity is noted.

Originally posted by chaney3
Intolerance at its finest.
Your interpretations and beliefs are correct.
All others are trolls.
Who says you are right Dive?

Who says anyone is right?
What an idiotic question in a debate.

Originally posted by chaney3
You would rather attack, than to defend the Bible.
Your immaturity is noted.

Your repeated inability to stand up and be counted as a Christian is also noted.

Originally posted by divegeester
I know what you are saying you are saying, but I'm saying that the scripture you quoted simply and demonstrably does not say what you are claiming it does.

You are not a Christian, you don't know your Bible and you are a troll.

Then show exactly how I misrepresented the words and phrases of Jesus from John 8 and provide what you believe to be the "correct" representation of those words and phrases.

So either demonstrate how my synopsis is essentially different from the words of Jesus from John 8 quoted earlier or admit that you don't believe what Jesus said there.

I imagine that if you could demonstrate it you would.

Thus far your responses have amounted to no more than unsubstantiated claims, false claims and personal attacks.

Originally posted by divegeester
Who says anyone is right?
What an idiotic question in a debate.

Nobody is right?

Originally posted by ThinkOfOne
Then show exactly how I misrepresented the words and phrases of Jesus from John 8 and provide what you believe to be the "correct" representation of those words and phrases.

So either demonstrate how my synopsis is essentially different from the words of Jesus from John 8 quoted earlier or admit that you don't believe what Jesus said there.

I imagi ...[text shortened]... sponses have amounted to no more than unsubstantiated claims, false claims and personal attacks.

I've already done it. I quoted your claim against the scripture and the two things don't say the same thing. You just want it to so much so you can troll Christians saying "you don't do what Jesus says". 🙂

Originally posted by chaney3
Nobody is right?

What?