JS357: Neither do a lot of us that you call atheists. We just happen to lack belief that any such exists.Do you have any scriptural back-up for your suggestion that there is an onus non-Hebrew, non-Muslim and non-Christian human beings to prove that the Abrahamic god doesn't exist?
Originally posted by @eladar
Funny how you demand evidence in one direction. You claim a high ground on circular reasoning.
15 Dec 17
Originally posted by @fmfI am not the one claiming to not choose to believe or not believe only to de facto not believe.
Do you have any scriptural back-up for your suggestion that there is an onus non-Hebrew, non-Muslim and non-Christian human beings to prove that the Abrahamic god doesn't exist?
In other words I am not the hypocrite here.
Originally posted by @eladarIf you really do think there is some kind of invisible, magical, supernatural creature dishing out rewards and punishments, and offering an "afterlife" to some "righteous" segment of humanity, then the onus is on you to prove that this is so. Your earnestness, your certainty about some ancient mythology or other, your apparent inability to use the word "hypocrite" properly, and your odious, spiteful sanctimoniousness are not 'evidence' of anything, aside from your own character. 😉
I am not the one claiming to not choose to believe or not believe only to de facto not believe.
In other words I am not the hypocrite here.
15 Dec 17
Originally posted by @fmfWhy is the onus on me to prove what I nelieve is true?
If you really do think there is some kind of invisible, magical, supernatural creature dishing out rewards and punishments, and offering an "afterlife" to some "righteous" segment of humanity, then the onus is on you to prove that this is so. Your earnestness, your certainty about some ancient mythology or other, your apparent inability to use the word "hypocri ...[text shortened]... us, spiteful sanctimoniousness are not 'evidence' of anything, aside from your own character. 😉
I do not care if any other person believes it.
You are so evil that you believe I must prove to you that what I believe is true but you need not prove what you believe is true.
Your belief is true until proven wrong but my beliefs are false until proven true.
You are a total hypocrite and totally evil.
Originally posted by @eladarYes. You claim that a supernatural being exists and that it will "burn" me as a punishment for not believing it exists. This is a figment of your imagination until you prove it to be something real.
You are so evil that you believe I must prove to you that what I believe is true but you need not prove what you believe is true.
The same applies to all the stuff that Dasa used to claim was true, and the same would apply to a Hindu or a Scientologist regarding whatever claims they made about supernatural things, if they were here.
There is ample evidence that humans die ~ billions and billions of cases for which there is documentation, eyewitness accounts, medical evidence, burial sites.
By contrast, there is not one jot of evidence of this "afterlife" you talk of.
Originally posted by @eladarNice copy 'n' paste. You could at least take out the meaningless footnote citations.
Your ignorance is obvious for all to see.
From wiki
Pascal's Wager is an argument in philosophy presented by the seventeenth-century French philosopher, mathematician and physicist Blaise Pascal (1623–62).[1] It posits that humans bet with their lives that God either exists or does not.
Pascal argues that a rational person should live as though Go ...[text shortened]... te gains (as represented by eternity in Heaven) and avoid infinite losses (eternity in Hell).[2]
You do know that Pascal's Wager is complete bull%#&@, right?
15 Dec 17
Originally posted by @bigdoggproblemQuite so.
AFAIK, 0 theists have credited Pascal's Wager as the reason for their belief. It's always something they want other people to do.
15 Dec 17
Originally posted by @eladarI can see Trump in you, saying this. It’s like a stump-speech straight of his little book of crappy things to say to people.
Why is the onus on me to prove what I nelieve is true?
I do not care if any other person believes it.
You are so evil that you believe I must prove to you that what I believe is true but you need not prove what you believe is true.
Your belief is true until proven wrong but my beliefs are false until proven true.
You are a total hypocrite and totally evil.
15 Dec 17
Originally posted by @bigdoggproblemBingo.
AFAIK, 0 theists have credited Pascal's Wager as the reason for their belief. It's always something they want other people to do.
15 Dec 17
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Originally posted by @eladarRead the exchange between us. You claimed this:
Your ignorance is obvious for all to see.
From wiki
Pascal's Wager is an argument in philosophy presented by the seventeenth-century French philosopher, mathematician and physicist Blaise Pascal (1623–62).[1] It posits that humans bet with their lives that God either exists or does not.
Pascal argues that a rational person should live as though Go ...[text shortened]... te gains (as represented by eternity in Heaven) and avoid infinite losses (eternity in Hell).[2]
“You can burn or you can be found righteous. This was the basis of Pascal's statement.”
I said “no it isn’t” (I.e. that’s not what he said or meant)
Nowhere does Pascal discuss righteousness nor burning (presumably in your hell). You are just making it up, putting words his mouth to suit your own nasty religious backdrop.
Now piss off and read the rest of the wiki page you quoted, you horrid little man.
15 Dec 17
Originally posted by @suzianneGod said this when he had Paul write that we are not each other's masters. Each of us is respondible to God. I will not make a judgement.
Are you going to claim next that Jesus said this, so that you won't seem like such a jackass for saying it?
He claimed that I belonged to the group that tries to convince his kind of people with that wager. I stated that I do not.
15 Dec 17
Originally posted by @divegeesterYou really are ignorant. Read what I cut and pasted from wiki. Either you burn in hell for eternity or you do not. This is what I said but you are just too hateful to see it.
Read the exchange between us. You claimed this:
“You can burn or you can be found righteous. This was the basis of Pascal's statement.”
I said “no it isn’t” (I.e. that’s not what he said or meant)
Nowhere does Pascal discuss righteousness nor burning (presumably in your hell). You are just making it up, putting words his mouth to suit your own nas ...[text shortened]... backdrop.
Now piss off and read the rest of the wiki page you quoted, you horrid little man.