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@fmf said
The vast, vast majority of human beings already believe there is a creator. Billions and billions. What issue do you have?

Who is correct in defining the creator?

@chaney3 said
Who is correct in defining the creator?

Assuming there is a Creator, one widespread and plausible view (at least on Earth) is that no one would be correct in defining the Creator, because It is beyond our comprehension.

Comprehension would either be a necessary prerequisite for definition, or (even if it did occur) would be inexpressible given the limitations of our tools of definition.

<waits in fear for the Pretension Police to barge through his door at 3 AM>

@caesar-salad said
Assuming there is a Creator, one widespread and plausible view (at least on Earth) is that no one would be correct in defining the Creator, because It is beyond our comprehension.

Comprehension would either be a necessary prerequisite for definition, or (even if it did occur) would be inexpressible given the limitations of our tools of definition.

<waits in fear for the Pretension Police to barge through his door at 3 AM>

The bible attempts to explain what's beyond our comprehension.

@chaney3 said
Who is correct in defining the creator?

What does it matter? Nobody "knows". Believe what you believe and let it form part of the basis for your code of living if necessary. I live my life based on the deduction that a creator, if there is one, has not communicated any instructions, promises or threats to any of us.

@fmf said
What does it matter? Nobody "knows". Believe what you believe and let it form part of the basis for your code of living if necessary. I live my life based on the deduction that a creator, if there is one, has not communicated any instructions, promises or threats to any of us.

You were a Christian, and have since denied God and Jesus.

Who is your creator now?

@chaney3 said
The bible attempts to explain what's beyond our comprehension.

Personally, I see it as a curiosity-ending package of doubt-eradicating speculative "answers" to the proverbial 'big questions' [with convoluted mundane ideology attendant thereto] that many, maybe too many [though not all] people settle for.

@chaney3 said
You were a Christian, and have since denied God and Jesus.

Who is your creator now?

I'm agnostic about the existence of a creator.

@fmf said
I'm agnostic about the existence of a creator.

Said differently, you don't believe the God of the bible, but are open to "God".

Right?

@chaney3 said
Said differently, you don't believe the God of the bible, but are open to "God".

Right?

I find all the "revealed" religions I have encountered to be not credible.

@fmf said
I find all the "revealed" religions I have encountered to be not credible.

You are open to "God", correct?

@chaney3 said
You are open to "God", correct?

As I said, I'm agnostic about the existence of a creator. Meaning I don't know if there is a god or gods. My view is that all the "revealed" religions I know about give me nothing credible to subscribe to. I do not believe there is no god or gods.

@fmf said
As I said, I'm agnostic about the existence of a creator. Meaning I don't know if there is a god or gods. My view is that all the "revealed" religions I know about give me nothing credible to subscribe to. I do not believe there is no god or gods.

Do you believe that human life formed from nothing, that our existence came from nothing?

Surely you don't believe that.

@chaney3 said
Do you believe that human life formed from nothing, that our existence came from nothing?

Surely you don't believe that.

As I have said to you umpteen times, I don't know. I lean towards a universe that has always existed in some form or other.

But what of it? What does it matter what I lean towards, because I don't know, and I don't think anyone knows.

Scientists will know much more in 500 or 1,000 years from now, while Christians [for example] will still be trotting out the "answers" supposedly provided by ancient Hebrew mythology and its very successful offshoot.

I believe we have clearly evolved ~ though I don't know how it started ~ and I believe morality and other metaphysical capacities have evolved too, due to our social nature and are unique faculties.

But this 'I don't know-ism' creates no religion-equivalent ideology other than I don't look to a creator being that is also a moral lawgiver, and so morality is something that arises out of human interactions in order to govern them.

Yes, actually, that is an ideology, come to think of it, but it's rather more self-evidently true and observable than supernatural causality stuff.

Human life - and our consciousness, in particular - is plausible [or, at least, intriguing and conjecture-triggering] evidence of there being a creator and I am not surprised that religions have grown out of the prevalent human tendency to believe there is one.

@fmf said
Him meeting Gabriel and him being a prophet carrying out and writing down God's commands and him being all set to come back at the End Times etc., yes, made up as well.

You know perfectly well that is not my question.

The question was did Mohammad exist?

@fmf said
If you believe that he was a divine being and that you will be rewarded with everlasting life for having that belief, good for you.

When did I discuss the qualification for salvation?

The assertion was that moral fiber of Jesus is universally appealing to both the religious and non-religious.

I presume you then agree with this. If not, what is questionable about his morality?