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@kellyjay saidOf course he isn’t!
You are the one ignoring specialized work in biology not me.
How is he?
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@kellyjay saidIt produces the right quantity and right quality of insulin.
It is quite simple a healthy body does something that someone with type one diabetes or two cannot do or do as well as required. Explain what and why please!
Is your post supposed to be a trick question 🤦♂️
@bigdogg said"Listen here, BigDogg, I once found three stones in the road, and they formed a triangle. You're wilfully blind if you can't accept that geometrically perfect triangles are the product of error-checking mechanisms and that implies a Designer. How can you explain perfect triangles coming about by mindless chance? You can't. Now, go regulate your blood sugar."
"But moonbus! My argument by analogy has so many parallels! So many details that line up, that the two things I'm comparing have to be the same!"
"All you have is denial of my bad argument, nothing more!!"
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@moonbus saidYou really cannot do it can you, can you? Maintaining the proper body temperature, starting to stop blood clotting, insulin, and all of these things you have to go to stones on the road instead of addressing the processes in a body, which is the topic of discussion. If you were to run across a stone on a road no one would think of design, a watch yes, even if you had never seen one discovering the mechanisms causing it to keep time would be far above a single rock. If you were to find a bunch of rocks instead of perfect triangles they spelled out, "Greetings" would that be enough?
"Listen here, BigDogg, I once found three stones in the road, and they formed a triangle. You're wilfully blind if you can't accept that geometrically perfect triangles are the product of error-checking mechanisms and that implies a Designer. Now, go regulate your blood sugar."
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@kellyjay saidThe process is called homeostasis. Below is a link; educate yourself. But be aware that calling it a "mechanism" is a human metaphor, a grammatical fiction, a convenient way of referring to a complex chemical process. It is not a mechanism like a watch is. There was no designer, it's just chemicals.
You really cannot do it can you, can you? Maintaining the proper body temperature, starting to stop blood clotting, insulin, and all of these things you have to go to stones on the road instead of addressing the processes in a body, which is the topic of discussion. If you were to run across a stone on a road no one would think of design, a watch yes, even if you had never ...[text shortened]... nd a bunch of rocks instead of perfect triangles they spelled out, "Greetings" would that be enough?
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4588151/
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@moonbus saidThe definition of a mechanism is something comprised of different parts preforming a task you are hiding behind semantics. It’s right in front of you and you refuse to see it. Wake up to the reality you live in.
The process is called homeostasis. Below is a link; educate yourself. But be aware that calling it a "mechanism" is a human metaphor, a grammatical fiction, a convenient way of referring to a complex chemical process. It is not a mechanism like a watch is. There was no designer, it's just chemicals.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4588151/
@moonbus saidYou have to do better than this link, describing what is happening does not address how information directs the processes to occur, can you possibly stay on topic?
The process is called homeostasis. Below is a link; educate yourself. But be aware that calling it a "mechanism" is a human metaphor, a grammatical fiction, a convenient way of referring to a complex chemical process. It is not a mechanism like a watch is. There was no designer, it's just chemicals.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4588151/
How blood clotting occurs
https://www.bleedingdisorders.com/about/[WORD TOO LONG]
blood sugars
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/316427#:~:text=Insulin%20and%20glucagon%20help%20maintain%20blood%20sugar%20levels.,breaks%20down%20glycogen%20to%20glucose%20in%20the%20liver.
Maintaining levels may have a name, but how is it done, and where did these systems that could process information to react get this information processing? You can stick your head in the sand, but it doesn't change the FACT to make things happen there a very complex systems are involved.
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We have recently witnessed a marvelous example of evolution in action. A few years ago a virus appeared, COVID-19, which had a high lethality rate, particularly among elderly people. In evolutionary terms, a virus which kills the first host it infects in a short period of time does not propagate well. we soon saw mutations of the virus which were less lethal. This is a direct effect of natural selection, for, if the virus does not kill its first host immediately, then the host lives long enough to infect many more hosts, and thereby propagate the virus farther. It’s pure, mindless natural selection. There is no information coding involved. The virus does not say to itself, hey I should be less lethal so I can propagate better.
If, however, your narrative is that God decided to make a lethal virus, and then, two years later, changed his mind, and made it less lethal, then ask yourself the following question: is this narrative a good foundation for doing scientific research, that God arbitrarily changes things? if you think this is a good foundation for producing vaccines, then I suggest you patent the idea and sell it to Johnson and Johnson. Good luck with that.
@moonbus saidYou have only witnessed a virus, was it because something was improving, or degrading, was it man-made? This once again you do not address the information properties within life that begin actions so they start and stop. Dancing around and around you never actually address the topics, you spout off grandiose generalizations, but you cannot defend your points. Only make claims, as if that is all you have to do, you should stick to rock formations as if that had anything to do with what was the topic.
We have recently witnessed a marvelous example of evolution in action. A few years ago a virus appeared, COVID-19, which had a high lethality rate, particularly among elderly people. In evolutionary terms, a virus which kills the first host it infects in a short period of time does not propagate well. we soon saw mutations of the virus which were less lethal. This is a direct ...[text shortened]... accines, then I suggest you patent the idea and sell it to Johnson and Johnson. Good luck with that.
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@kellyjay saidBut this is you kellyjay, isn’t it.
Dancing around and around you never actually address the topics, you spout off grandiose generations, but you cannot defend your points. Only make claims
I’m a person who subscribes to the Christian faith but I can’t follow your logic and subjective claims.
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@kellyjay saidI've addressed your thread topic head-on. What best supports scientific research into viruses and vaccines? Bio-chemistry, or belief in a God-narrative? What best supports scientific research into how evolution works? Studying monkeys in the wild adapting to new environmental pressures and threats, or belief in a God-narrative?
You have only witnessed a virus, was it because something was improving, or degrading, was it man-made? This once again you do not address the information properties within life that begin actions so they start and stop. Dancing around and around you never actually address the topics, you spout off grandiose generalizations, but you cannot defend your points. Only make cl ...[text shortened]... ve to do, you should stick to rock formations as if that had anything to do with what was the topic.
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@moonbus saidGood point - and look at how all the stars in the sky are arranged in animal shapes and utensil shapes and stuff! Can't possibly explain all those shapes without using the language of design!
"Listen here, BigDogg, I once found three stones in the road, and they formed a triangle. You're wilfully blind if you can't accept that geometrically perfect triangles are the product of error-checking mechanisms and that implies a Designer. How can you explain perfect triangles coming about by mindless chance? You can't. Now, go regulate your blood sugar."
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Off I go to renounce my atheism.
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@bigdogg saidPrometheus knew that you would, eventually, come around. See you in Valhalla.
Good point - and look at how all the stars in the sky are arranged in animal shapes and utensil shapes and stuff! Can't possibly explain all those shapes without using the language of design!
Off I go to renounce my atheism.
@moonbus saidYou did not, you gave a link in the hopes something in it somewhere addresses anything related to our topic head-on, pathetic. Head-on would look like you speaking to the topic itself in your own words, saying things related to the topic. You have even shown you understand information processing at all, yet you deny it in biology even when confronted with examples.
I've addressed your thread topic head-on. What best supports scientific research into viruses and vaccines? Bio-chemistry, or belief in a God-narrative? What best supports scientific research into how evolution works? Studying monkeys in the wild adapting to new environmental pressures and threats, or belief in a God-narrative?
Can you even define the nuances of information processing ignoring biology for a moment, and explain it not worrying about biology? Do you know what it is your denying? I have no hope you will because I do not think you can, and I imagine you will do dark soon. You most certainly have not shown a grasp of mechanical works, or information processing, you just got, deny, deny, deny.
Unless your three rocks shaped like a triangle were what you consider addressing something head-on, if so yawn. Now you are talking about monkeys adapting, in the wild, exactly on a molecular level within these monkeys show biological start stop mechanisms, level checking, anything at all with information theory? You once again talk much but not about the topic.
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@bigdogg saidYou two deserve each other, how about all the fine-tuning variables within the universe that allow it to support life? Yet mindlessness could through time give you, your mind and you trust it. Sad.
Good point - and look at how all the stars in the sky are arranged in animal shapes and utensil shapes and stuff! Can't possibly explain all those shapes without using the language of design!
Off I go to renounce my atheism.