I think the Shroud while very interesting.....Like I've said before if your faith is based on relics then your missing the boat so to speak. If you read the old testament you know the relics became obstacles to those people of that day
Manny
PS I'm more interested in Noah's Ark but even if they found it people will not believe.
Originally posted by menace71A Noah's ark relic is okay for a Jew. However, I think the proof of the resurrection of Christ should be more important to a Christian.
I think the Shroud while very interesting.....Like I've said before if your faith is based on relics then your missing the boat so to speak. If you read the old testament you know the relics became obstacles to those people of that day
Manny
PS I'm more interested in Noah's Ark but even if they found it people will not believe.
Originally posted by RJHindsIsn't there something about idolatry in the Big Book of Fairy Tales? If ever there was an idol or graven image it's the bit of old rag that you revere so much.
A Noah's ark relic is okay for a Jew. However, I think the proof of the resurrection of Christ should be more important to a Christian.
Originally posted by menace71Of course there would be sceptics, and its one of the best parts of human nature. But being a sceptic is not the same thing as being closed minded or deliberately delusional.
True but there would be skeptics is all.....this is human nature
Manny
For example, a sceptic would ask "Is there good evidence that the object claimed to be the Ark actually exists?", "What other reasonable explanations are there for the object being there?", "Does it match descriptions in the Bible and what are the consequences of any discrepancies?" "Does its existence substantiate anything said in the Bible and if so, to what extent?" etc. This sort of sceptical questioning is good.
But your initial comment 'people will not believe' suggests that it is all a matter of faith and that those who are sceptical are being so for religious or personal reasons - and you said it in a disparaging way as if you think sceptics are bad.
Originally posted by KeplerThe image on the cloth is not graven or made by the hand of man, so it would not fall under the category of an idol that is worshipped, like the golden calf of Moses day. The golden calf had nothing to do with representing the true God, but was made to take worship away from the true God. Worship of Christ is allowed because He is the Son of God and the manifestation of the true God in bodily form. The old rag is simply a relic used to bring something to mind to the believers, just like the bread and wine in the Lord's supper, that Christ told his disciples to take in rememberance of Him.
Isn't there something about idolatry in the Big Book of Fairy Tales? If ever there was an idol or graven image it's the bit of old rag that you revere so much.
Originally posted by twhiteheadI gotcha.....I see your point
Of course there would be sceptics, and its one of the best parts of human nature. But being a sceptic is not the same thing as being closed minded or deliberately delusional.
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Manny
Originally posted by RJHindsCatholics have a far different idea regarding the Eucharist, so perhaps it's not the best analogy.
The image on the cloth is not graven or made by the hand of man, so it would not fall under the category of an idol that is worshipped, like the golden calf of Moses day. The golden calf had nothing to do with representing the true God, but was made to take worship away from the true God. Worship of Christ is allowed because He is the Son of God and the m ...[text shortened]... d and wine in the Lord's supper, that Christ told his disciples to take in rememberance of Him.
Originally posted by menace71I like Calvin's statement that a ship could be made from all the pieces of the 'True Cross'. Kinda puts the whole 'relic' thing into perspective.
I think the Shroud while very interesting.....Like I've said before if your faith is based on relics then your missing the boat so to speak. If you read the old testament you know the relics became obstacles to those people of that day
Manny
PS I'm more interested in Noah's Ark but even if they found it people will not believe.
