23 Feb 05
Originally posted by DarfiusMadness. Your God is supposedly all-powerful; why would he have to murder an entire group of people to protect the Jews? Couldn't He is his Almightyness have just put up an invisible shield so no harm could come to them? Then he wouldn't have had to go to the trouble of organizing mass murders.
You clearly have no idea WHY God might order what He did.
You do realize that He has infinite wisdom, yes? Clearly you couldn't begin to fathom His reasoning.
I can think of a host of reasons why it would be necessary.
1. Those people would have done even worse to the Jews if given the opportunity.
2. God's priority in the OT is to PROTECT TH ...[text shortened]... in prison and feed and clothe them? So they could revolt and kill Jewish women and children?
And He could have made the Messiah any time out of any group; why is an almighty Being forced to choose just one people? "if the Jews had been annihilated, you wouldn't have a Savior to deny and ridicule" Absurd! Mortal men could have thwarted the plans of an omnipotent God? That's blasphemy.
"Fallen angels mating with earth women". Lurid fantasies without even a basis in your silly "book". Darfius in his hubris making up stories to save his pathetic need to justify the slaughter of millions. The mirror image of Osama, but in Texas.
We wouldn't expect the Jews, a bunch of semi-savages at the time to have acted any better (though their cruelty seems exceptional even by ancient standards), but you are claiming that a "merciful and loving" God condoned or actually ordered them to commit mass murder and rape! How dare you! How dare you say that the life of a Midianite baby was worthless or that a Midianite girl could be condemned to be raped by the murderers of her family and say that is God's justice! You and your God are monsters, Darfius.
23 Feb 05
Originally posted by KellyJaythe difference is I don't care what his reasons were. did he or did he not do what the OT says he did?
People do use God to do vile deeds all the time, it has not stopped
since the beginning that is nothing new. As far as why God did some
times one way and not other things, I cannot answer that. I do not
know why he acts the way he does. I'm sure He has reasons, what
they are I don' t know, and you don't either.
God does not murder, just a policeman ...[text shortened]... ing lawfully does not
murder someone if he ends up using deadly force and someone
dies.
Kelly
23 Feb 05
Originally posted by KellyJayI think the point is that the authors of the Bible put in this stuff because they BELIEVED that God was involved. They are trying to show that God is not merciful and kind, nor loving...and if the Bible is the inspired work of God then God agrees, does she not?
My question still stands, most of the stuff I have seen so far are
simply people doing bad things. I'd like to stick with just the stuff
where God was involved. Not every time someone did something
in the name of God means that God was involved, just like anytime
someone does something while working for any agency means that
the agency condoned it.
Kelly
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24 Feb 05
Originally posted by frogstompI'm sure you don't care what His reasons or thinking was for doing
the difference is I don't care what his reasons were. did he or did he not do what the OT says he did?
what He did in the OT, just as I'm sure it doesn't really matter what
you think to God either. Since it isn't like we are talking about one
of the guys, or just some King behaving badly for time period.
Kelly
24 Feb 05
Originally posted by KellyJayPrecisely. God loves all of you, but He could care less what your criticism is.
I'm sure you don't care what His reasons or thinking was for doing
what He did in the OT, just as I'm sure it doesn't really matter what
you think to God either. Since it isn't like we are talking about one
of the guys, or just some King behaving badly for time period.
Kelly
He's infinitely wise. Put faith in Him, not your limited analytical abilities.
24 Feb 05
Originally posted by MaustrauserAre you trying to be insulting to me by calling God a she since
I think the point is that the authors of the Bible put in this stuff because they BELIEVED that God was involved. They are trying to show that God is not merciful and kind, nor loving...and if the Bible is the inspired work of God then God agrees, does she not?
no where in scripture is that done?
I believe God has shown us great mercy even in the OT, and
the issue you should be worried about does not reside in the
OT but the NT, since that one is much worse when it comes to
judgments for sins.
Kelly
24 Feb 05
Originally posted by KellyJayHow can the use of 'She' insult you? Are women insulting to you? Are they lesser beings? Are you neglecting your theological history by failing to acknowledge that Asherah was always present in discussions of God, prior to the erasing of her presence by the early Jews. God has been a duality for longer than s/he has been a single sex.
Are you trying to be insulting to me by calling God a she since
no where in scripture is that done?
I believe God has shown us great mercy even in the OT, and
the issue you should be worried about does not reside in the
OT but the NT, since that one is much worse when it comes to
judgments for sins.
Kelly
24 Feb 05
Originally posted by DarfiusSince He gave you the ability to use your limited analytical
Precisely. God loves all of you, but He could care less what your criticism is.
He's infinitely wise. Put faith in Him, not your limited analytical abilities.
abilities, He knows how far we can go with the limited
bits of knowledge we think we have, He points us to where
we should be putting our faith. This doesn't seem like a
bad thing to me, He does not tell us to not try to understand
the universe around us, only to trust Him.
As far as He doesn't care about criticism, I don't think any
criticism will go unanswered.
Kelly
24 Feb 05
Originally posted by MaustrauserYou can point me to one scripture where God is refered to as a she?
How can the use of 'She' insult you? Are women insulting to you? Are they lesser beings? Are you neglecting your theological history by failing to acknowledge that Asherah was always present in discussions of God, prior to the erasing of her presence by the early Jews. God has been a duality for longer than s/he has been a single sex.
Kelly
24 Feb 05
Originally posted by KellyJaydid he or did he not authorize murdering children? it's a yes or no type question.
I'm sure you don't care what His reasons or thinking was for doing
what He did in the OT, just as I'm sure it doesn't really matter what
you think to God either. Since it isn't like we are talking about one
of the guys, or just some King behaving badly for time period.
Kelly
24 Feb 05
Originally posted by KellyJayI am severely disappointed in you, KellyJay; you promised to look over the passages and then return to debate. You didn't. The passages indicate that if you believe literally in the Old Testament than you worship a monster. And then the best you can do is argue over the sex of a deity??????
You can point me to one scripture where God is refered to as a she?
Kelly
24 Feb 05
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Originally posted by no1marauderOops, here you are again No1. ..... I thought you hated those religious threads. You love them no1 ! ..... now don't you ?..... 😀
I am severely disappointed in you, KellyJay; you promised to look over the passages and then return to debate. You didn't. The passages indicate that if you believe literally in the Old Testament than you worship a monster. And then the best you can do is argue over the sex of a deity??????