So, You Don't Believe In Sasquatch

@badradger said
@KellyJay all this arguing over fairy stories.

No, it’s talking about the reality of the universe. Is this a created place, with a purpose and design, or not? Fairy stories are closer to those who think nothing could cause this, then the explanations they come up with, as they attempt to explain away all there is.

@kellyjay said
If Thomas is edifying to you because it dismisses things you don't like, than I would think you are more concern about you than the text.

What's your objection to the text of The Gospel of Thomas? The first line indicates that Thomas heard Jesus saying stuff and he wrote those sayings down.

@kellyjay said
No, it’s talking about the reality of the universe. Is this a created place, with a purpose and design, or not? Fairy stories are closer to those who think nothing could cause this, then the explanations they come up with, as they attempt to explain away all there is.

no one knows, or will ever know.

@kellyjay said
No, it’s talking about the reality of the universe. Is this a created place, with a purpose and design, or not? Fairy stories are closer to those who think nothing could cause this, then the explanations they come up with, as they attempt to explain away all there is.

Most atheists don't claim to know how everything came into existence. I don't view this as a weakness. Saying 'I don't know' is a good starting point in the quest for answers.

Dealing with these difficult questions by presupposing a Divine entity is not a strength in my opinion and certainly falls in the hemisphere of fairy stories and wishful thinking. (And again, it is only you who speaks of something coming from 'nothing.' )

@badradger said
no one knows, or will ever know.

I beg to differ, when the author of the play steps on the stage the play is over so it’s been said. When God calls it all done for this life the eternal begins! Everyone will know it will be inescapable.

@kellyjay said
I beg to differ, when the author of the play steps on the stage the play is over so it’s been said. When God calls it all done for this life the eternal begins! Everyone will know it will be inescapable.

And if there is no author?!

@ghost-of-a-duke said
And if there is no author?!

No one should care about that. You have not answered my question to you still. If you are told truth and you say you know better are you then accountable for your stance?

@kellyjay said
No one should care about that. You have not answered my question to you still. If you are told truth and you say you know better are you then accountable for your stance?

How do I know when I am told truth?

@ghost-of-a-duke said
How do I know when I am told truth?

Let me rephrase when you say you know better than what you are being shown and told do you now own your stance it is all on you?

@kellyjay said
Let me rephrase when you say you know better than what you are being shown and told do you now own your stance it is all on you?

You don't seem to understand what subjectivity is.

@kellyjay said
Let me rephrase when you say you know better than what you are being shown and told do you now own your stance it is all on you?

Again, when you or anyone shows me something by what measure am I to accept that as truth rather than opinion?

@ghost-of-a-duke said
Again, when you or anyone shows me something by what measure am I to accept that as truth rather than opinion?

It is a simple question of ownership when you make a truth claim is it one you own, or do you think you should have some sort of (not my fault claim) attached to everything you claim is true?

@kellyjay said
It is a simple question of ownership when you make a truth claim is it one you own, or do you think you should have some sort of (not my fault claim) attached to everything you claim is true?

Your "truth claims" in these matters are just your personal opinions. Surely everybody "owns" their personal opinions?

@ghost-of-a-duke said
Most atheists don't claim to know how everything came into existence. I don't view this as a weakness. Saying 'I don't know' is a good starting point in the quest for answers.

Dealing with these difficult questions by presupposing a Divine entity is not a strength in my opinion and certainly falls in the hemisphere of fairy stories and wishful thinking. (And again, it is only you who speaks of something coming from 'nothing.' )

It would be a good starting point if they held to that belief consistently. The area of weakness I see is that even though they honestly say they don't know, they don't at all have issue one saying God didn't do it. They see the hole, cannot fill in the blanks and reject out of hand an explanation with no idea how it was done!

@kellyjay said
They see the hole, cannot fill in the blanks and reject out of hand an explanation with no idea how it was done!

What's the difference between "reject" and "reject out of hand"?