Somebody help me...

Originally posted by Proper Knob
I'm killing time, so I looked up the exchange, here it is -

DG - Never-mind the reasons, just explicitly state whether or not you think it is possible that a person could be once saved and now not be?

KJ - YES, HELL is in the future for some who walked away from God. That clear enough for you?

DG - Why so angry? It is because you've just realise ...[text shortened]... rd, if his
blinded heart ever gets a taste of the real thing.

Then we go into repeat mode.

🙂
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
Hell is in the future for them didn't give you a clue?
Kelly

Please Kelly, please stop being so vague and answer specifically:

As you believe in the doctrine that a Christian can lose their salvation; why can you not accept that this could be the case with FMF? I.e. He is an ex Christian who has lost his salvation.

Originally posted by divegeester
Please Kelly, please stop being so vague and answer specifically:

As you believe in the doctrine that a Christian can lose their salvation; why can you not accept that this could be the case with FMF? I.e. He is an ex Christian who has lost his salvation.

"KJ - Listen, I've done pages with him on the point that bothers me about his
story. It didn't have anything to do with that doctrine, it had everything to do with how he describes it. Had he said, I knew the Lord but walked away, okay, I agree change of heart. Had he said, I walked as a Christian for years, but realized it was false than that would be okay, he would realize he didn't have anything real, I could understand that. It basically denies he ever really knew the Lord, but admits it. He wants it both ways, he knew the Lord, and Lord isn't real. So what did he lose there? He made claims he now says are not true! I'm not going to do this with you after spending pages with him! I think he is in the only place where he has a shot of actually coming to the Lord, if his
blinded heart ever gets a taste of the real thing."

You cannot lose what you did not have! I've been saying that from the
beginning! You need Christ in your life if you don't have Him in your life
then you cannot leave him. He does not talk about leaving Christ, he talks
about losing faith, faith and a relationship with God related they are, but
are not the same thing.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
"KJ - Listen, I've done pages with him on the point that bothers me about his
story. It didn't have anything to do with that doctrine, it had everything to do with how he describes it. Had he said, I knew the Lord but walked away, okay, I agree change of heart. Had he said, I walked as a Christian for years, but realized it was false than that would be ok ...[text shortened]... g faith, faith and a relationship with God related they are, but
are not the same thing.
Kelly

Which brings us back to explaining what your relationship with God is.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
Which brings us back to explaining what your relationship with God is.

He did not answer Dives question and neither will he answer yours. Clearly KJ is going through some personal confusion as a result of all this questioning.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
Which brings us back to explaining what your relationship with God is.

I know believe me! I want to write you what it means to me. I don't want
to just throw a little post out there when I think it is very important topic.
I'm in the middle of my work week, so little time here, a little time there, I
don't have any large blocks of time.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
I know believe me! I want to write you what it means to me. I don't want
to just throw a little post out there when I think it is very important topic.
I'm in the middle of my work week, so little time here, a little time there, I
don't have any large blocks of time.
Kelly

The amount you write clearly you have lots of time. Its just that you spend your time writing replies that do not answer questions asked.

Originally posted by Rajk999
The amount you write clearly you have lots of time. Its just that you spend your time writing replies that do not answer questions asked.

If you watch my posts you'd know they come and go in blocks, some times
I have lots of time, so times not much, other times none what so ever!
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
You cannot lose what you did not have! I've been saying that from the
beginning! You need Christ in your life if you don't have Him in your life
then you cannot leave him. He does not talk about leaving Christ, he talks
about losing faith, faith and a relationship with God related they are, but
are not the same thing.

Once again. Can you describe a scenario in which a long standing Christian "loses his/her salvation"?

Originally posted by FMF
Once again. Can you describe a scenario in which a long standing Christian "loses his/her salvation"?

You turn your back on God because you are not happy about something.
This could be a life loss, something you know God is alive and real, but
no matter you walk away. You could know God is alive and real and love
sin more. So there are two there.

Then there is the I call myself a Christian, never really believed it, and
changed my mind. I called myself a Christian and never really turned my
life over to God, and changed my mind. Then there is the I called myself
a Christian, never really knew what it meant, and now that there is a cost
I change my mind. All of these, never were a Christians, other than that
is what they called themselves, they are more in the realm of wolves in
sheep clothing.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
You turn your back on God because you are not happy about something.
This could be a life loss, something you know God is alive and real, but
no matter you walk away. You could know God is alive and real and love
sin more. So there are two there.

Then there is the I call myself a Christian, never really believed it, and
changed my mind. I called myse ...[text shortened]...
is what they called themselves, they are more in the realm of wolves in
sheep clothing.
Kelly

Here's a scenario. What about someone sincerely believing all the claims made by Christians about Jesus for 28 years, and living his life accordingly, before then losing these beliefs?

Originally posted by FMF
Here's a scenario. What about someone sincerely believing all the claims made by Christians about Jesus for 28 years, and living his life accordingly, before then losing these beliefs?

Here is a response, heard it before changes nothing as far as I'm concern.
Not sure why that matters to you, but okay!
A lot of people can believe claims, believing in claims isn't what God calls
us to! You can believe a claim, and not belong to the Lord!
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
Here is a response, heard it before changes nothing as far as I'm concern.
Not sure why that matters to you, but okay!
A lot of people can believe claims, believing in claims isn't what God calls
us to! You can believe a claim, and not belong to the Lord!
Kelly

But you claim to be a Christian too, don't you?

Originally posted by KellyJay
You turn your back on God because you are not happy about something.
This could be a life loss, something you know God is alive and real, but
no matter you walk away. You could know God is alive and real and love
sin more. So there are two there.

So according to your theology, the only way a Christian can "lose their salvation" is if they continue to believe in the Christian God after they stop being Christians? Correct me if I've got it wrong.

Originally posted by FMF
So according to your theology, the only way a Christian can "lose their salvation" is if they continue to believe in the Christian God after they stop being Christians? Correct me if I've got it wrong.

According to my theology the only way you can lose anything, not just
your salvation is to have it at least once.
Kelly