31 Oct 10
Originally posted by ThinkOfOneYes. Jesus taught what He taught.
lol. You just can't give that up can you? Jesus taught what He taught and as always whether or not any given individual sins doesn't change that one iota.
But because you say Jesus taught that one must stop sinning in order to be saved, I would like to know if you are saved. That's why I keep asking whether or not you have stopped sinning.
The rest of us haven't. Have you? Man! You may well be the only living person that is saved.
31 Oct 10
Originally posted by Conrau KIts not quite accurate Conrau, i have seen it not only among Hispanics, but Africans and Europeans as well, nor do i think we are any less fervent about our soccer here than in the rest of the world. Kaka attributes his success to divine intervention, as do many others!
I don't read anything in it. I don't think soccer plays seriously believe God is responsible for their sporting prowess. Making the sign of the cross on the sports field is just part of the flamboyant Catholicism of Hispanics who are fanatic over soccer.
31 Oct 10
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Originally posted by Great Big SteesHe had better be following the upcoming Ashes tour, already the pommies have landed on Australian soil, surely he will not let the Aussies down, but the bad Karma of Ammanion, Conrau and Karoly Poly just might swing it in the Pommies favour. I hold them personally responsible for any bad results rather than God. 😛
God follows, only, North American football or what the rest of the world calls....not soccer.
31 Oct 10
Originally posted by robbie carrobieYes probably a third of baseball and football players here do that.
Its not quite accurate Conrau, i have seen it not only among Hispanics, but Africans and Europeans as well, nor do i think we are any less fervent about our soccer here than in the rest of the world. Kaka attributes his success to divine intervention, as do many others!
And on my second thought NASCAR racing here always has a prayer before each race to have God protect them. But I guess God isn't a race fan either as wrecks and injuries still happen all the time. You think they'd finally stop asking...
31 Oct 10
Originally posted by galveston75Baseball players point to the sky after getting a hit all the time. But you never see them shaking their fists at the sky in fury after striking out. It never ceases to amaze me how so many people are ready to give god all the credit for everything good that happens, but who never hold him accountable for all the bad.
Yes probably a third of baseball and football players here do that.
And on my second thought NASCAR racing here always has a prayer before each race to have God protect them. But I guess God isn't a race fan either as wrecks and injuries still happen all the time. You think they'd finally stop asking...
31 Oct 10
Originally posted by josephwHow disingenuous. Your question is irrelevant as I've repeatedly pointed out to you. Not sure why you can't seem to be able to wrap your mind around this fact.
Yes. Jesus taught what He taught.
But because you say Jesus taught that one must stop sinning in order to be saved, I would like to know if you are saved. That's why I keep asking whether or not you have stopped sinning.
The rest of us haven't. Have you? Man! You may well be the only living person that is saved.
Also, according to the teachings of Jesus, the absolute minimum requirement for "eternal life" / "heaven" / "salvation" is that one must become righteous, i.e., one must become one with God, one must follow the will of God, one cannot continue to commit sin, etc. This is also a fact.
31 Oct 10
Originally posted by ThinkOfOneHow does one not continue to sin?
How disingenuous. Your question is irrelevant as I've repeatedly pointed out to you. Not sure why you can't seem to be able to wrap your mind around this fact.
Also, according to the teachings of Jesus, the absolute minimum requirement for "eternal life" / "heaven" / "salvation" is that one must become righteous, i.e., one must become one with God, one ...[text shortened]... ust follow the will of God, one cannot continue to commit sin, etc. This is also a fact.
31 Oct 10
Originally posted by galveston75John 8:32-36
How does one not continue to sin?
So Jesus was saying to those Jews who had believed Him, "If you continue in My word, then you are truly disciples of Mine; and you will know the truth, and the truth will make you free." They answered Him, "We are Abraham's descendants and have never yet been enslaved to anyone; how is it that You say, 'You will become free'?"
Jesus answered them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is the slave of sin. The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son does remain forever. So if the Son makes you free, you will be free indeed."
31 Oct 10
Originally posted by ThinkOfOnehave you ever tried putting this scripture in the context of the entire Bible, if not, why not, and if not, on what authority do you choose to negate all other teaching with the exception of the words of Christ.
John 8:32-36
So Jesus was saying to those Jews who had believed Him, "If you continue in My word, then you are truly disciples of Mine; and you will know the truth, and the truth will make you free." They answered Him, "We are Abraham's descendants and have never yet been enslaved to anyone; how is it that You say, 'You will become free'?"
Jesus answe ...[text shortened]... r; the son does remain forever. So if the Son makes you free, you will be free indeed."
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Originally posted by ThinkOfOneSo there has been and are today humans that don't sin?
John 8:32-36
So Jesus was saying to those Jews who had believed Him, "If you continue in My word, then you are truly disciples of Mine; and you will know the truth, and the truth will make you free." They answered Him, "We are Abraham's descendants and have never yet been enslaved to anyone; how is it that You say, 'You will become free'?"
Jesus answe r; the son does remain forever. So if the Son makes you free, you will be free indeed."
31 Oct 10
Originally posted by robbie carrobieYou may not see this, but as I read your post it came to me that maybe the reason why ToO uses only the words of Jesus and never references the rest of scripture is because then he only has to "stop sinning" enough to satisfy that portion of scripture that doesn't expose the rest of his sins.
have you ever tried putting this scripture in the context of the entire Bible, if not, why not, and if not, on what authority do you choose to negate all other teaching with the exception of the words of Christ.
His pet sins are unaffected by what Jesus said.
If you see this ToO, forgive me for being mean.
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31 Oct 10
Originally posted by robbie carrobieI don't deny it. However, I think you have to admit that for the most part overt religious expression is not very common in English-speaking countries. I have not seen it ever in Australia, nor very often in Britain. As I said, I don't think there is any theological significance. It is just flamboyance.
Its not quite accurate Conrau, i have seen it not only among Hispanics, but Africans and Europeans as well, nor do i think we are any less fervent about our soccer here than in the rest of the world. Kaka attributes his success to divine intervention, as do many others!
And anyway, wouldn't you agree that God is in some way responsible for the outcome of a sporting match? God is after all the maker of each individual and certainly His will is in all things?
31 Oct 10
Originally posted by robbie carrobieMaybe you didn't understand this part:
have you ever tried putting this scripture in the context of the entire Bible, if not, why not, and if not, on what authority do you choose to negate all other teaching with the exception of the words of Christ.
"If you continue in My word, then you are truly disciples of Mine; and you will know the truth, and the truth will make you free."
Jesus clearly says that one must continue in HIS WORD.