subjective science

Originally posted by @apathist
That only means you don't comprehend time and probability, and make the argument from incredulity.

Easy to insult, but the case is simply this, if any event has 0 chance of occurring! Adding more time doesn't change anything.

Originally posted by @kellyjay
Easy to insult, but the case is simply this, if any event has 0 chance of occurring! Adding more time doesn't change anything.

How do you, as a finite being lacking omniscience, determine if an event has a 0 chance of happening?

Originally posted by @dj2becker
No I just wonder how you can ignore evidence that completely undermines your theory.

Wonder harder😵

Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-duke
How do you, as a finite being lacking omniscience, determine if an event has a 0 chance of happening?

Well I am open to hearing your numbers. So of all the things that needed to happen on the Marco level like gravity's strength on the Earth, Earth's rotations speed, distantence from Earth to Sun, adding in all the micro things needed for life, like all the material was not only on the Earth but in the same area, all in the proper qualities, that all the material could mix properly in the right order and on and on!

What do you think the odds would have been? If you say 1 you are not looking at this critically, and to tell you the truth, I do not think you can or will give me a number because there are to many variables. Yet you accept it was not only possible but believe it nonetheless.

That isn't based on facts that is based on wishful thinking! There are no facts billions or millions of years ago, just more of the same!

Originally posted by @wolfgang59
Maybe.
But I asked you.
Do you get out of bed in the morning wondering
what the Laws of Nature will be like today?

and you failed to answer.

Which laws of nature that specifically apply to uniformitarianism?

Originally posted by @dj2becker
Which laws of nature that specifically apply to uniformitarianism?

You could mention the key points of the structurism and the development of your personal (ICR’s version of Christian uniformism, that is) naturalist view, and demonstrate how this view bridges the uniformity of both the laws of G-d and the physical laws, and how and by what means it falsifies, for one, geological actualism and, for two, the scientific facts and evidence based on the fossil records –avoiding the stereotypical use of those words, and respecting not only the meanings they have taken over time, but also the pneuma of the schools of thought underlying them😵

Originally posted by @black-beetle
You could mention the key points of the structurism and the development of your personal (ICR’s version of Christian uniformism, that is) naturalist view, and demonstrate how this view bridges the uniformity of both the laws of G-d and the physical laws, and how and by what means it falsifies, for one, geological actualism and, for two, the scientific ...[text shortened]... nings they have taken over time, but also the pneuma of the schools of thought underlying them😵

Because of the lack of a theory that the scientific community is willing to accept as an alternative you would rather stick with the current theory regardless of all the evidence that suggest the flaws in it.

Originally posted by @kellyjay
Well I am open to hearing your numbers. So of all the things that needed to happen on the Marco level like gravity's strength on the Earth, Earth's rotations speed, distantence from Earth to Sun, adding in all the micro things needed for life, like all the material was not only on the Earth but in the same area, all in the proper qualities, that all the ma ...[text shortened]... n wishful thinking! There are no facts billions or millions of years ago, just more of the same!

The universe is so big it is beyond comprehension. It is this immensity that makes life on Earth not only probable, but likely.

I agree that having all the macro stuff like gravity, or distance from the Sun etc in place is extremely unlikely (and seemingly impossible) but it is this immensity of the universe that means every now and then all these conditions are in place to sustain life. I would even go as far as to say that this immensity makes such life sustaining planets as ours commonplace. (Still rare by our understanding of time and distance, but common in the great scheme of things).

Originally posted by @dj2becker
Because of the lack of a theory that the scientific community is willing to accept as an alternative you would rather stick with the current theory regardless of all the evidence that suggest the flaws in it.

There is no evidence for a flood of a scale as described in Genesis, but that's another story.

Back on track: Science of our era is more subtle, provisional and messy than whatever even a scientific naturalist could assume. This is the main reason why a Christian naturalist has really hard time: it is required to come up with scientifically concrete evidence and facts. And surely, in this league, jokers a la ICR are simply ignored just like the Flat Earth proponents. ICR's mumbo-jumbo rant cannot falsify the theory of evolution😵

Originally posted by @black-beetle
There is no evidence for a flood of a scale as described in Genesis, but that's another story.

Back on track: Science of our era is more subtle, provisional and messy than whatever even a scientific naturalist could assume. This is the main reason why a Christian naturalist has really hard time: it is required to come up with scientifically concrete ...[text shortened]... like the Flat Earth proponents. ICR's mumbo-jumbo rant cannot falsify the theory of evolution😵

If there really was a global Flood, shouldn’t we find billions of dead things, buried in rock layers, laid down by water, all over the earth?

Originally posted by @dj2becker
If there really was a global Flood, shouldn’t we find billions of dead things, buried in rock layers, laid down by water, all over the earth?

What kind of question is this?
In fact, going up the geologic columns from older to more recent strata, the types of fossilized plants and animals found within them change dramatically and in a very specific pattern that proves the theory of evolution accurate and the Noah’s Flood hypothesis non-tenable.
😵

Originally posted by @kellyjay
Well I am open to hearing your numbers. So of all the things that needed to happen on the Marco level like gravity's strength on the Earth, Earth's rotations speed, distantence from Earth to Sun, adding in all the micro things needed for life, like all the material was not only on the Earth but in the same area, all in the proper qualities, that all the ma ...[text shortened]... n wishful thinking! There are no facts billions or millions of years ago, just more of the same!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drake_equation

"The Drake equation is a probabilistic argument used to estimate the number of active, communicative extraterrestrial civilizations in the Milky Way galaxy."

"Therefore, the usefulness of the Drake equation is not in the solving, but rather in the contemplation of all the various concepts which scientists must incorporate when considering the question of life elsewhere,[1][3] and gives the question of life elsewhere a basis for scientific analysis."

Originally posted by @black-beetle
What kind of question is this?
In fact, going up the geologic columns from older to more recent strata, the types of fossilized plants and animals found within them change dramatically and in a very specific pattern that proves the theory of evolution accurate and the Noah’s Flood hypothesis non-tenable.
😵

Ah yes the idea of 'older to more recent strata' which is based upon assumptions that firstly cannot be verified using the scientific method and secondly is the epitome of circular reasoning whereby the layer is given a date based upon the fossil that is found in it and the fossil is given a date based upon the layer it is found in. Rock solid evidence indeed. 😵

Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-duke
The universe is so big it is beyond comprehension. It is this immensity that makes life on Earth not only probable, but likely.

I agree that having all the macro stuff like gravity, or distance from the Sun etc in place is extremely unlikely (and seemingly impossible) but it is this immensity of the universe that means every now and then all the ...[text shortened]... Still rare by our understanding of time and distance, but common in the great scheme of things).

BS
Please address the points directly!
The discussion is revolving around could it happen, your answer is yes I believe it is true is a statement of faith not an argument!

Originally posted by @js357
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drake_equation

"The Drake equation is a probabilistic argument used to estimate the number of active, communicative extraterrestrial civilizations in the Milky Way galaxy."

"Therefore, the usefulness of the Drake equation is not in the solving, but rather in the contemplation of all the various concepts which scientists mus ...[text shortened]... life elsewhere,[1][3] and gives the question of life elsewhere a basis for scientific analysis."

I will look at it when time allows.