Spirituality
12 Jun 12
13 Jun 12
Originally posted by Rajk999sampson, the first suicide bomber.
There is no clear statement in the Bible about suicide. There are passages and stories which can be interpreted to mean that taking your own life is not right. Then there is the story of Sampson who took his own life so that he could in the process kill hundreds of Philistines. In fact Sampson asked God to help him therefore that was a God-assisted suicide. ...[text shortened]... ces under which the suicide took place and chances are he might think its justified... or not.
13 Jun 12
Originally posted by divegeestermorality of the question depends entirely on the circumstances. suicide itself is simply a process so it cannot be classified with a concrete moral standard.
In reference to Thread 146470 I though I would open a discussion here about suicide. Specifically
Is it a sin?
If so will all suicides go to hell? Or at least be excluded from Heaven?
Is assisting someone to commit suicide a sin, and a sin in all circumstances?
Atheists, is it morally acceptable for a person to commit suicide?
Any other comments or perspectives...?
having said that, sometimes it may be immoral to prevent suicide, sometimes it may be immoral to allow it.
13 Jun 12
Through early morning fog I see
visions of the things to be
the pains that are withheld for me
I realize and I can see...
that suicide is painless
It brings on many changes
and I can take or leave it if I please.
The game of life is hard to play
I'm gonna lose it anyway
The losing card I'll someday lay
so this is all I have to say.
suicide is painless
It brings on many changes
and I can take or leave it if I please.
The sword of time will pierce our skins
It doesn't hurt when it begins
But as it works its way on in
The pain grows stronger...watch it grin.
suicide is painless
It brings on many changes
and I can take or leave it if I please.
A brave man once requested me
to answer questions that are key
is it to be or not to be
and I replied 'oh why ask me?'
suicide is painless
it brings on many changes
and I can take or leave it if I please.
...and you can do the same thing if you please.....
MASH Theme lyrics
Manny
13 Jun 12
Originally posted by Rajk999Funny thing you have no real answer Jaywill. Or should I say .. I could understand why you have no answer.
I think everyone would accept that nobody should take their own life.
The question is if they do, is it a sin and would it eliminate their chance of eternal life.
If the Bible does not approve of suicide and one of your so-called 'eternally saved' people commits suicide then what ??
The problem with your doctrine is that you are preempting the righteous judgment of Christ by claiming to know in advance. In ALL cases .. absolutely no exceptions .. living Christians wait in hope of a favourable judgment.
13 Jun 12
Originally posted by divegeesterSuicide is a crime and should be punished with death.
In reference to Thread 146470 I though I would open a discussion here about suicide. Specifically
Is it a sin?
If so will all suicides go to hell? Or at least be excluded from Heaven?
Is assisting someone to commit suicide a sin, and a sin in all circumstances?
Atheists, is it morally acceptable for a person to commit suicide?
Any other comments or perspectives...?
13 Jun 12
Originally posted by Rajk999While I agree in principle.....A Christian is given the confidence that a crown of righteousness awaits right? (Of course this crown is not deserved)
Funny thing you have no real answer Jaywill. Or should I say .. I could understand why you have no answer.
If the Bible does not approve of suicide and one of your so-called 'eternally saved' people commits suicide then what ??
The problem with your doctrine is that you are preempting the righteous judgment of Christ by claiming to know in advance. I ...[text shortened]... cases .. absolutely no exceptions .. living Christians wait in hope of a favourable judgment.
Manny
13 Jun 12
Originally posted by menace71So in your opinion .. a Christian who SAYS or BELIEVES that he is eternally saved, and who then commits suicide, will still receive eternal life?
While I agree in principle.....A Christian is given the confidence that a crown of righteousness awaits right? (Of course this crown is not deserved)
Manny
Please resist the temptation to talk around the question and say ..as Jaywill did that a Christian is not supposed to commit suicide.
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13 Jun 12
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Originally posted by Rajk999Pardon me for wedging in here as I am not really qualified, but it seems to me that jaywill's post acknowledges the Christian teaching that it is the state of a person's faith, by God's grace, at the moment of their death, that determines their eternal fate, period. Any action taken by the person prior to that moment, whether the action is blasphemy/abomination 10 years prior, or stepping off the top of a building 5 seconds prior, is not the determining factor.
Funny thing you have no real answer Jaywill. Or should I say .. I could understand why you have no answer.
If the Bible does not approve of suicide and one of your so-called 'eternally saved' people commits suicide then what ??
The problem with your doctrine is that you are preempting the righteous judgment of Christ by claiming to know in advance. I ...[text shortened]... cases .. absolutely no exceptions .. living Christians wait in hope of a favourable judgment.
Of course this raises interesting questions such as, can a person be saved without having some sort of conscious act of prayerful acceptance of Christ?* On this forum we non-theists are being told the answer is "no". But the person who blows their brains out might not have any coherent conscious thoughts at all, after doing so. But then on the other hand, do we accept Christ with our brains, or with our spiritual souls, and are our spiritual souls limited by the physical condition of our brains? In brief, can we accept Christ after blowing our brains out? If so, the act of suicide is no more definitive of our fate than is a years-old blasphemy/abomination.
*edit: that is not rescinded prior to death.
13 Jun 12
Originally posted by FMFIn many, perhaps even most cases, I would agree - not morally acceptable. But then there are those victims of incurable but gradual and painful terminal conditions, whom I could not condemn for choosing an easier exit.
Perhaps. But my rule of thumb is: Do no harm to others, Do not deceive, Do not coerce. I can see many suicides as being a case of doing harm to others and therefore not morally acceptable.