Suzanne’s Post, Fact, Fiction, Christian? Let’s Come Together!

@divegeester said
Stop being such a gutless wimp. If you want to talk to me, then talk to me .. instead of vicariously through a reply to Suzianne.

Is this you being pleasant?

@suzianne said
Of course he died for sinners, they're the ones who need him.

Let me ask you again: Even those who reject him?

Romans 10:8-13

Romans 5:8 is not the whole story.

@suzianne said
Of course he died for sinners, they're the ones who need him.

Let me ask you again: Even those who reject him?

Is disbelief the same as rejection?

If I am, for example, unconvinced of the existence of the yeti, and despite genuine interest and study of the yeti still come away not believing he actually exists, can it be said I have rejected him?

Edit: I asked Joseph a variation of this question a few days ago and he said he had to give it some thought. (Not seen much of him since then).

@ghost-of-a-duke said
Is disbelief the same as rejection?

If I am, for example, unconvinced of the existence of the yeti, and despite genuine interest and study of the yeti still come away not believing he actually exists, can it be said I have rejected him?

Edit: I asked Joseph a variation of this question a few days ago and he said he had to give it some thought. (Not seen much of him since then).

If you are maintaining your disbelief by rejecting what may cause you to change your mind they are no different from one another, one simply represses/suppresses truth to maintain your stance.

You may look into everything yeti turning over every rock to find out what you need to know and still reject him, but if you have some questions that you ignore, belittle, or reject out of hand that is something else, that is rejecting with the propose to maintaining your disbelief, not examine each point completely.

@kellyjay said
If you are maintaining your disbelief by rejecting what may cause you to change your mind they are no different from one another, one simply represses/suppresses truth to maintain your stance.

You may look into everything yeti turning over every rock to find out what you need to know and still reject him, but if you have some questions that you ignore, belittle, or reje ...[text shortened]... that is rejecting with the propose to maintaining your disbelief, not examine each point completely.

Have 'you' rejected Santa Claus? Have 'you' rejected the Tooth fairy?

If I accepted God existed, but rejected him, fair enough. But If I genuinely believed (as I do) that God did not exist, then there is nothing there to reject. - It could perhaps be argued that I have rejected the notion of God, but to reject God directly I would have to believe there was something there to reject. (Which I don't).

@ghost-of-a-duke said
Have 'you' rejected Santa Claus? Have 'you' rejected the Tooth fairy?

If I accepted God existed, but rejected him, fair enough. But If I genuinely believed (as I do) that God did not exist, then there is nothing there to reject. - It could perhaps be argued that I have rejected the notion of God, but to reject God directly I would have to believe there was something there to reject. (Which I don't).

Which is my point, your rejection is your reason to reject everything that could show you that you are wrong. No need to take anything seriously you have rejected out of hand!

@ghost-of-a-duke said
Have 'you' rejected Santa Claus? Have 'you' rejected the Tooth fairy?

If I accepted God existed, but rejected him, fair enough. But If I genuinely believed (as I do) that God did not exist, then there is nothing there to reject. - It could perhaps be argued that I have rejected the notion of God, but to reject God directly I would have to believe there was something there to reject. (Which I don't).

You are comparing Jesus Christ to Santa Claus and the Tooth fairy, you know the history of each of those and I ask you are you aware of anyone coming to believe in either of those with the historical information about them?

Difficult to take your judgment seriously in that comparison considering Jesus Christ is such an important figure we measure time BC AD due to Him. The world has changed due to His life and teachings, where His birth, life, death, and resurrection has millions turning their lives over to Him.

So comparing Christianity to Tooth fairy and Santa so you can reject Christ out of hand as if they were comparable is pathetic.

@suzianne said
Is this you being pleasant?

No, just honest.

@suzianne said
Let me ask you again: Even those who reject him?

Yes.

Nobody gets burnt alive for eternity.

@kellyjay said
Which is my point, your rejection is your reason to reject everything that could show you that you are wrong. No need to take anything seriously you have rejected out of hand!

You simply haven't read my posts correctly. Not all atheists have rejected God out of hand. I know that suits your argument to say that, but it simply isn't true.

What of an atheist who has seriously explored religion (and not rejected out of hand) but still comes away not believing in God?

@kellyjay said
You are comparing Jesus Christ to Santa Claus and the Tooth fairy

Yes, yes I am.

All 3 have been created by the human imagination, mostly with good intent. Santa Claus brings magic for children, the tooth fairy reward for the trauma of losing a tooth and Jesus the promise of salvation and everlasting life. (Who doesn't want a piece of that action).

@kellyjay said
Which is my point, your rejection is your reason to reject everything that could show you that you are wrong. No need to take anything seriously you have rejected out of hand!

If I am unconvinced by an email purportedly from the wife of the deceased Nigerian finance minister asking for my help with a banking matter, am I "rejecting" the £10,000,000 she said she'd send me?

@fmf said
If I am unconvinced by an email purportedly from the wife of the deceased Nigerian finance minister asking for my help with a banking matter, am I "rejecting" the £10,000,000 she said she'd send me?

Am I "rejecting" everlasting life by being unconvinced by the stuff KellyJay claims about Jesus rising from the dead. Is the Nigerian finance minister's wife's £10,000,000
real?

@kellyjay said
Jesus Christ is such an important figure we measure time BC AD due to Him. The world has changed due to His life and teachings, where His birth, life, death, and resurrection has millions turning their lives over to Him.

Jesus Christ is such an important figure we measure time BC AD due to Him. The world has changed due to His life and teachings where His birth, life, death, and [claims about his] resurrection have millions turning their lives over to Him.

This does not mean that the claims Christians make about him [and about themselves] are true.

@kellyjay said
Which is my point, your rejection is your reason to reject everything that could show you that you are wrong. No need to take anything seriously you have rejected out of hand!

Your belief is that people who are not convinced by the same claims that you are convinced by will be tortured for eternity in burning flames, correct?