07 Jun 08
Originally posted by josephwDoesn't work for me.
http://www.proofthatgodexists.org/
The question "Absolute moral laws does not exist" (Yes) leads to "Molesting children for fun is absolutely wrong" (Yes) leads back to "Absolute moral laws does not exist" and I'm stuck there.
So it doesn't work for me. This is not a proof for the existance of god.
07 Jun 08
Originally posted by FabianFnasSo molesting children for fun is absolutely wrong, is not an absolute moral law?
Doesn't work for me.
The question "Absolute moral laws does not exist" (Yes) leads to "Molesting children for fun is absolutely wrong" (Yes) leads back to "Absolute moral laws does not exist" and I'm stuck there.
So it doesn't work for me. This is not a proof for the existance of god.
I think you failed the test! 😉
07 Jun 08
Originally posted by josephwDid you ever hear the analogy of a child sitting on the lap of a parent trying to slap the parent's face? The child can only get close enough to do so by being situated on the parent lap.
So molesting children for fun is absolutely wrong, is not an absolute moral law?
I think you failed the test! 😉
Someone compared this to atheistic arguments against God. You have to be close enough to God by His moral laws in order to be able to reach Him to deny Him.
07 Jun 08
Originally posted by josephwI don't think there are absolute moral laws. Every moral law is subject to the culture.
So molesting children for fun is absolutely wrong, is not an absolute moral law?
I think you failed the test! 😉
In my culture female circumcision is awfully morally wrong, but in other cultures it is perfectly alright and within tradition. So what is a absolute moral law in one place of the earth doesn't imply that it is alright in another place.
No, I think the test itself failed.
07 Jun 08
Originally posted by FabianFnasEvery moral law is subject to the culture.
I don't think there are absolute moral laws. Every moral law is subject to the culture.
In my culture female circumcision is awfully morally wrong, but in other cultures it is perfectly alright and within tradition. So what is a absolute moral law in one place of the earth doesn't imply that it is alright in another place.
No, I think the test itself failed.
Is this also a moral law which is subject to culture too ?
07 Jun 08
Originally posted by FabianFnasAre you absolutely sure?
I don't think there are absolute moral laws. Every moral law is subject to the culture.
In my culture female circumcision is awfully morally wrong, but in other cultures it is perfectly alright and within tradition. So what is a absolute moral law in one place of the earth doesn't imply that it is alright in another place.
No, I think the test itself failed.
07 Jun 08
Is there a culture on earth in which cowardice is considered more desireable than bravery?
Which culture?
Is there a culture on earth in which laziness is held in higher esteem than hard work ?
What about a culture where unfaithfulness is a more noble trait than faithfulness ?
07 Jun 08
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Originally posted by jaywillThe thing is, is that where ever man is you will probably find just such a culture! 😛
Is there a culture on earth in which cowardice is considered more desireable than bravery?
Which culture?
Is there a culture on earth in which laziness is held in higher esteem than hard work ?
What about a culture where unfaithfulness is a more noble trait than faithfulness ?
07 Jun 08
Originally posted by josephwI think where man has a society you will find there some cowards, some slothful, and some unfaithful.
The thing is, is that where ever man is you will probably find just such a culture! 😛
But the general attitude of that culture is that these are undesireable characteristics.
Their standard is set high. The actual behavior of some of the culture is below that standard. And the culture has negative reinforcing social norms to let people know that they SHOULD do better.
07 Jun 08
Originally posted by josephwYes, in my culture female circumcision is awfully morally wrong, I am dead sure. How can you think otherwise?
Are you absolutely sure?
This is a perfect example of what can be an absolute moral law in one place and totally alright in another place. This proves that there is no absolute moral law that is constant thrugh times and places.
The test fails. In the very instant that you think that you can prove the existance of god, religion turns into science, and this is an oxymoron in the first place.
07 Jun 08
Originally posted by josephwI received the following message:
http://www.proofthatgodexists.org/
To reach this page you had to acknowledge that immaterial, universal, unchanging laws of logic, mathematics, science, and absolute morality exist. Universal, immaterial, unchanging laws are necessary for rational thinking to be possible. Universal, immaterial, unchanging laws cannot be accounted for if the universe was random or only material in nature.
Of course, the fallacy is the inference from the claim that the universe is neither random nor wholly material to the conclusion that God exists. Are you on a quest to find religious idiots on the internet and report their "findings"?
07 Jun 08
Originally posted by jaywillCowardice is more desirable if it saves your family.
Is there a culture on earth in which cowardice is considered more desireable than bravery?
Which culture?
Is there a culture on earth in which laziness is held in higher esteem than hard work ?
What about a culture where unfaithfulness is a more noble trait than faithfulness ?