08 Jun 08
Originally posted by josephwThe only redeeming feature of that test is that it dumped me on the Disney.co.jp website after it finished.
http://www.proofthatgodexists.org/
Like Fabs, I got to the absolute morality point and had to say "no".
In fact, the correct answer must be "no", for any Christian, look at the OT. Things that are morally wrong now were morally acceptable then. If that is to be the case, absolute morals do not exist.
Consider yourself educated.
08 Jun 08
Originally posted by josephwFirst question - does absolute truth exist? I answered "IDK".
http://www.proofthatgodexists.org/
Second question - you don't know if absolute truth exists. Is this absolutely true - or is it false?
That's the false dilemma fallacy. Your website fails to be logical.
08 Jun 08
Originally posted by bbarrActually I'm on a quest to expose the lunacy that God doesn't exist. If it happens that a few loony Christians are exposed, so be it.
I received the following message:
[b]To reach this page you had to acknowledge that immaterial, universal, unchanging laws of logic, mathematics, science, and absolute morality exist. Universal, immaterial, unchanging laws are necessary for rational thinking to be possible. Universal, immaterial, unchanging laws cannot be accounted for if the universe was r ...[text shortened]... sts. Are you on a quest to find religious idiots on the internet and report their "findings"?
I hadn't realised that because the universe is not random and not wholly material, that it is fallacious to the conclusion that it was created by God.
After all, evolution claims that life came into existence randomly. Why should it not be concluded that it is fallacious to claim that order came from disorder?
08 Jun 08
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Originally posted by scottishinnzWhere did you get educated? If there are moral absolutes, then it can only be logically concluded that those moral absolutes are always the same at any time and place.
The only redeeming feature of that test is that it dumped me on the Disney.co.jp website after it finished.
Like Fabs, I got to the absolute morality point and had to say "no".
In fact, the correct answer must be "no", for any Christian, look at the OT. Things that are morally wrong now were morally acceptable then. If that is to be the case, absolute morals do not exist.
Consider yourself educated.
Your assertion that what is morally wrong now, but was morally right then, is pure convoluted relativism.
The denial of the existence of universal absolute truth is irrational. If it were true you could know nothing for sure. Any argument for anything would collapse without truth to support it. It's a no brainer!
Are you learning anything yet? 😉
08 Jun 08
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Originally posted by josephwYou seem to have the false assumption that there are absolute morals. I cannot think of one moral that is absolute and garantee that it doesn't change over culture or time. Can you?
Where did you get educated? If there are moral absolutes, then it can only be logically concluded that those moral absolutes are always the same at any time and place.
Your assertion that what is morally wrong now, but was morally right then, is pure convoluted relativism.
The denial of the existence universal absolute truth is irrational. If it were ...[text shortened]... d collapse without truth to support it. It's a no brainer!
Are you learning anything yet? 😉
If not, then the proof that god exists is totally wrong. That is what we learn of this. What do you learn?
I once wrote "Yes, in my culture female circumcision is awfully morally wrong, I am dead sure. How can you think otherwise?" and you didn't answer that. How can you defend female circumcision ???
08 Jun 08
Originally posted by josephwJoseph, I despair of you sometimes. Have you not yet learnt what evolution is and is not, after all the debates on this site, all the arguments, and the odd glimmer of hope sometimes that shows you are starting to think about it, then you come out with some statement like this? I put my head in my hands and give a despairing little cry; please please think for yourself :- and I know it is a struggle but try to recapture the idea that evolution is not claiming anything about abiogenesis, and the outcome of evolution is not random. I really don't know where you get these ideas that you trot out; but it really shows that you still don't get it; and this is the basic stuff here.
...After all, evolution claims that life came into existence randomly.....
08 Jun 08
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Originally posted by josephwLike FabianFnas, please give an example of ONE moral 'absolute'.
Where did you get educated? If there are moral absolutes, then it can only be logically concluded that those moral absolutes are always the same at any time and place.
Your assertion that what is morally wrong now, but was morally right then, is pure convoluted relativism.
The denial of the existence of universal absolute truth is irrational. If it we ...[text shortened]... d collapse without truth to support it. It's a no brainer!
Are you learning anything yet? 😉
08 Jun 08
Originally posted by FabianFnasYou're beginning to sound like thinkofone.
You seem to have the false assumption that there are absolute morals. I cannot think of one moral that is absolute and garantee that it doesn't change over culture or time. Can you?
If not, then the proof that god exists is totally wrong. That is what we learn of this. What do you learn?
I once wrote "Yes, in my culture female circumcision is awfull ...[text shortened]... you think otherwise?" and you didn't answer that. How can you defend female circumcision ???
You have obviously received your education within the last 20 years or so. The idea that there are no absolutes is bogus, and I pity the mind that is unaware of it.
08 Jun 08
Originally posted by josephwNow you showed your real face. It wasn't pretty.
You're beginning to sound like thinkofone.
You have obviously received your education within the last 20 years or so. The idea that there are no absolutes is bogus, and I pity the mind that is unaware of it.
Your rules of thumb is the following:
(#1) I am always right, because I am better than every one else.
(#2) If it happens that I'm not right, see (#1).
08 Jun 08
Originally posted by josephwIn what way does he sound like thinkofone?
You're beginning to sound like thinkofone.
You have obviously received your education within the last 20 years or so. The idea that there are no absolutes is bogus, and I pity the mind that is unaware of it.
I've never said anything like what was posted.