02 Mar 05
Originally posted by DarfiusSo if someone doesn't know how to read they cant find god? Nice to see that there are still some who descriminate against the dyslexic.
You don't need the church. You need God and the Bible.
Bible, church, same difference...want to try again? I'm dying to see what "prop" you come up with next...
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02 Mar 05
Originally posted by DarfiusI knew it wouldn't take long *sigh* 😞
Well, you did comment about it. And I have plenty of free will. More so than you, actually, since you are bound by sin.
How can you have plenty of free will when you live by a set of very strict commandments? It is in fact you who is bound by sin, it hampers you at every turn because it is there to tempt you. There is so much in life you cannot do because it is against god's will, not your own, god's. You have chosen to follow him and his will. You may remember god gave people free will, the will to choose whether or not to worship him. You chose to give up that free will and follow god. That is your choice.
I am not bound by sin, I do not believe in sin as a concept. The world is my oyster, I may go and do and see and taste and feel and say and sleep with whomever, whatever, however, wherever I wish. I have that freedom. I am not bound by anything.
Now get back to the discussion on spirituality and stop witnessing at me. I don't care whether this forum is designed for the purpose or not, you should at least try and stick to the subject, please.
02 Mar 05
Originally posted by DarfiusI see you've made a one-time donation of $29.95 to the RHP ministry. Darfius, the proselytizer!
Guess what, kirk, I don't fear hell. That pretty much null and voids your theory, eh?
Spirituality is for aspiring actresses and college students. Religion is for people who realize that something can't come from nothing.
Howabout a spirituality-only stat under the handle: "Total Converts:". It would be like recs, except any converts could give credit to the person who converted them. It'd be a great way to see just how effective the proselytizing is.
02 Mar 05
Originally posted by DarfiusBut don't get excited about the extra free time on sunday morning just yet - the bible is pretty high on the concept of church. The believers after jesus were called the early church and they allegedly sold all they had and gave the money to the apostles. Kinda hard to picture any american church doing that.
You don't need the church. You need God and the Bible.
The bible also commands its followers not to forsake the fellowship of other saints.
02 Mar 05
Originally posted by DarfiusEdit: Religion is for people who realize that something can't come from nothing, but then assume that at least one thing comes nothing anyway.
Guess what, kirk, I don't fear hell. That pretty much null and voids your theory, eh?
Spirituality is for aspiring actresses and college students. Religion is for people who realize that something can't come from nothing.
Unless God isn't a something? Then I'd agree!
02 Mar 05
Originally posted by StarrmanSo I should let you speak your mind, but I should shut up? Tuck it in, your intolerance for anything of God is showing.
I knew it wouldn't take long *sigh* 😞
How can you have plenty of free will when you live by a set of very strict commandments? It is in fact you who is bound by sin, it hampers you at every turn because it is there to tempt you. There is so much in life you cannot do because it is against god's will, not your own, god's. You have chosen to follow h ...[text shortened]... um is designed for the purpose or not, you should at least try and stick to the subject, please.
What strict commandments are you speaking of? Name something I can't do that you can. It has to be something one would actually WANT to do, mind you. I didn't give up free will. I gave up my sin will, and it feels great. There are more rewards in God than any sin I can think of.
Well, you are bound by something, but not during this life.
02 Mar 05
Originally posted by BigDoggProblemThere is a difference between fellowship and being sure to attend a large, multicolored building every Sunday at 8. Church is fine, but true fellowship with other believers takes precedence.
But don't get excited about the extra free time on sunday morning just yet - the bible is pretty high on the concept of church. The believers after jesus were called the early church and they allegedly sold all they had and gave the money to the apostles. Kinda hard to picture any american church doing that.
The bible also commands its followers not to forsake the fellowship of other saints.
02 Mar 05
Originally posted by telerionGreat, because God isn't a something, He's a someone.
Edit: Religion is for people who realize that something can't come from nothing, but then assume that at least one thing comes nothing anyway.
Unless God isn't a something? Then I'd agree!
I'm glad we've got that all cleared up.
02 Mar 05
Originally posted by Darfius
So I should let you speak your mind, but I should shut up? Tuck it in, your intolerance for anything of God is showing.
No, you should try and keep to the subject at hand, once again you have managed to get a thread totally hijacked. Just because there is a forum for debates on spirituality, supernatural, god etc. Doesn't mean you have carte blanche to witness left, right and centre. You should still be expected to keep to the subject matter. If you wish to preach or debate a particular issue, start your own thread, I will be happy to discuss free will with you there.
What strict commandments are you speaking of?
Umm the 10 commandments as handed down by god, or perhaps the 7 deadly sins, surely they are considerations against your free will....
Name something I can't do that you can.
Adultery. I can feel jealousy or pride or experience gluttony, anger etc with no feelings of guilt if I so desire.
It has to be something one would actually WANT to do, mind you.
Why?
I didn't give up free will. I gave up my sin will, and it feels great. There are more rewards in God than any sin I can think of.
I'm afraid I shall remain opposed to this idea unless you can actually show me some evidence of these so called rewards.
Well, you are bound by something, but not during this life.
Nope, I'm afraid not, when I die I will happily return to being part of the stardust of the universe once more. In the meantime, perhaps you'd like to discuss spirituality insteda of preaching?
02 Mar 05
Originally posted by StarrmanFirst of all I'd like to point out that you began this discussion with your snide remark about my loss of free will. Perhaps you should watch your mouth if you fear ramifications.
Originally posted by Darfius
[b]So I should let you speak your mind, but I should shut up? Tuck it in, your intolerance for anything of God is showing.
No, you should try and keep to the subject at hand, once again you have managed to get a thread totally hijacked. Just because there is a forum for debates on spirituality, supernatural, god ...[text shortened]... e once more. In the meantime, perhaps you'd like to discuss spirituality insteda of preaching?[/b]
None of the 10 commandments or 7 deadly sins are things I want to do. Your argument remains invalid.
I don't feel the urge to be jealous, be proud, or cheat on someone. Invalid again. Just because I use my free will in a method that seems foreign to you does not equate to me not using it.
Well, it should be something I want to do, because if it's something I don't want to do, then me choosing not to do it is an expression of my free will, yes?
You're asking me to show you God? I'm afraid He's not on call like that. If you asked Him yourself, I'm sure He would be more than willing to oblige.
How is that not as much wishful thinking as God? You have no proof you will return to stardust, that is a theory.
02 Mar 05
Originally posted by DarfiusYou are a fool and I no longer wish to discuss anything with you. My comment was originally a jest to Mayharm, nothing to do with you, you have happily destroyed this thread and offered nothing constructive at any point. Your post to my previous reply does nothing to answer any of the points I raised, it makes assumptions without offering evidence, it heads off at tangents in an attempt to justify failing arguements and it is NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ORIGINAL THREAD DESPITE NUMEROUS REQUESTS FOR A RETURN TO THE SUBJECT.
First of all I'd like to point out that you began this discussion with your snide remark about my loss of free will. Perhaps you should watch your mouth if you fear ramifications.
None of the 10 commandments or 7 deadly sins are things I want to do. Your argument remains invalid.
I don't feel the urge to be jealous, be proud, or cheat on someone. ...[text shortened]... much wishful thinking as God? You have no proof you will return to stardust, that is a theory.
Consequently I shall not reply to any more of your points, I am not here to bandy nonsense with you. You waste any decent attempt at debate by trolling these forums with your pap, if I was not bound by the terms of service I would have a lot more to say to you.
02 Mar 05
Originally posted by StarrmanThat was actually quite an eloquent way to say:
You are a fool and I no longer wish to discuss anything with you. My comment was originally a jest to Mayharm, nothing to do with you, you have happily destroyed this thread and offered nothing constructive at any point. Your post to my previous reply does nothing to answer any of the points I raised, it makes assumptions without offering evidence, it hea ...[text shortened]... with your pap, if I was not bound by the terms of service I would have a lot more to say to you.
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02 Mar 05
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Thanks to Darfius and Starrman for demonstrating what religion without spirituality is like, a bunch of petty debate 😉
for a religion to be effective, it needs to incorporate spirituality, communicating with god on a personal level. To get truth requires only a prayer. Books are not needed, but may help spread knowledge that others have gained in their quest for spirituality.
The Bible can be used as one of these books, but it is important to realize that what works for a desert nomad society, may not be right for a suburban information based society.
02 Mar 05
Originally posted by krazykenYour opinion is appreciated.
Thanks to Darfius and Starrman for demonstrating what religion without spirituality is like, a bunch of petty debate 😉
for a religion to be effective, it needs to incorporate spirituality, communicationg with god on a personal level. To get truth requires only a prayer. Books are not needed, but may help spread knowledge that others have gained in their ...[text shortened]... at works for a desert nomad society, may not be right for a suburban information based society.