That's the spirit!

Originally posted by Nemesio
Is this true? Are you saying that you are not subject to temptation?
You never have the urge to lie, or think of a woman lustfully?

Are you without sin?

Nemesio

Did I say can't or want? Her points remains invalid.

Originally posted by Darfius
Great, because God isn't a something, He's a someone.

I'm glad we've got that all cleared up.

By we do you mean you and your god? Your response is senseless. Some one is a person. All persons are also things. Therefore some one is also some thing. QED

I must advice once again to exercise some patience and thought when responding. Your intellectual laziness really makes your religion look bad.

Remember if your god is real, he doesn't need you to defend him. Therefore only make a case for him when you are sure that your statements will make your god look sounder. This sort of shallow retort only makes you and your religion appear shallow.

Originally posted by telerion

By we do you mean you and your god? Your response is senseless. Some one is a person. All persons are also things. Therefore some one is also some thing. QED

I must advice once again to exercise some patience and thought w ...[text shortened]... of shallow retort only makes you and your religion appear shallow.

Telerion: " Some one is a person. All persons are also things. Therefore some one is also some thing. QED"

....... reason strikes again ! 😛

Originally posted by telerion
Edit: Religion is for people who realize that something can't come from nothing, but then assume that at least one thing comes nothing anyway.

Unless God isn't a something? Then I'd agree!

You're right in your last post, I was tired. Wouldn't call it shallow rather than exhaustion.

Christians don't claim God came from nothing, we claim He existed outside of time and space, since He created it, as is evident in the first chapter of Genesis. It even agrees with evolution, when read in Hebrew.

Originally posted by Darfius
You're right in your last post, I was tired. Wouldn't call it shallow rather than exhaustion.

Christians don't claim God came from nothing, we claim He existed outside of time and space, since He created it, as is evident in the first chapter of Genesis. It even agrees with evolution, when read in Hebrew.

..... and that's what counts.

Originally posted by Darfius
Did I say [b]can't or want? Her points remains invalid.[/b]

I'm not entering the debate again, but I wanted to make clear that it is "His points remain invalid". Whether they do or not, I would prefer to be correctly referred to as per gender.

Originally posted by Starrman
I'm not entering the debate again, but I wanted to make clear that it is "[b]His points remain invalid". Whether they do or not, I would prefer to be correctly referred to as per gender.[/b]

Oh give him a break, he must have been...distracted...by your angelic avatar. 😉

MÅ¥HÅRM

Originally posted by ivanhoe
Nemesio: "Most people think that that Cantata is 'spiritual' but, as I recall
the people are resting in the field with the sheep after a big
orgy or something. I don't have the text in front of me, but it
is some big, nasty party."


Sounds like Kirk to me all right ....... 😛

Actually, I believe that Bach was commissioned to write that particular piece for someone's birthday. I am unfamiliar with Nemesio's interpretation, but as he is a liturgical specialist I am open to learning new things. But I can say that piece was written for someone's birthday.

Originally posted by kirksey957
But I can say that piece was written for someone's birthday.

Duke Franck Christian of Weissenfels?


http://www.classical.net/music/composer/works/jsbach/lists/bwv40.html

Originally posted by ivanhoe
Nemesio: "Most people think that that Cantata is 'spiritual' but, as I recall
the people are resting in the field with the sheep after a big
orgy or something. I don't have the text in front of me, but it
is some big, nasty party."


Sounds like Kirk to me all right ....... 😛

Ivanhoe, this is a perfect example of something secular taking on a spiritual meaning. I may not understand the German, but you will admit it is a beautiful piece of music that transcends whatever Nemesio is talking about. Now, we have made a connection about something we have in common. You may know more about music than me. To me that connection feels good so I would characterize it as spiritual. But that's me and may not be you or anyone else.

Originally posted by kirksey957
Ivanhoe, this is a perfect example of something secular taking on a spiritual meaning. I may not understand the German, but you will admit it is a beautiful piece of music that transcends whatever Nemesio is talking about. Now, we have made a connection about something we have in common. You may know more about music than me. To me that connection ...[text shortened]... good so I would characterize it as spiritual. But that's me and may not be you or anyone else.

Yes. I don't know one movement from another, but I cannot listen to Beethoven's Ninth "passively." I got to see it performed in concert once: I sat on the edge of my seat the whole time. Lyrics sometimes get in the way, because they impose a meaning--and that's not bad; I'm just saying that sometimes I draw more "meaning" from the music alone.