20 Sep 10
Originally posted by robbie carrobieAwesome Robbie... 🙂
hahaha, yes i am a ragged clown simply chasing shadows, but at least i know what i am, your thoughts are neither original nor substantiated and like mist they dissipate into nothingness. You claim to know what Christ was taught, you claim to know where he travelled, you even claim to know why he was killed, yet you have no idea why he came. As yet, ...[text shortened]... g waves so as to reach a distant shore! you may be inclined to listen, to the sound, of silence.
20 Sep 10
Originally posted by SuzianneEver since I was a child the 10 commandments said (thou shalt not kill) and its only recently that they have changed that to (murder) because it fits in with the christain animal killing lifestyle.
You come into this thread about the second coming of Christ and threadjack it severely with nonsense.
Christ was a Jew, of the House of David, of the Nation of Judah, as was mentioned previously. This cannot be dismissed as untrue by anyone who has a working understanding of what "truth" means. Unless you're just trolling, which I'm inclined to believe ...[text shortened]... I submit that it is you, sir, who doesn't know what "thou shalt not kill" means.
Jesus had the higher consciouness which doesnt identify with the tempory labelling of the body for eg: man, women, jew, catholic, muslim, etc
Jesus didnt see himself as a jew, but the people around him probably did as you do today.....but with the higher spiritul consciouness that he had, he saw himself as Atma (spirit)
To say that jesus was a jew and identified himself as a jew is a million % wrong.
vishva
20 Sep 10
Originally posted by vishvahetuExplain, if animal killing is so wrong, then, why did God require animal sacrifice at the Temple? In order to be sacrificed, the animals had to be killed. Why would God waver like that? Answer is, he doesn't. There is an entire subset of Jewish law (given from God to Moses) regarding which animals are clean to eat and which are unclean. I would imagine that if animal killing were a sin, then ALL animals would be unclean to eat. Clearly, this is not the case. Even in the case of human killing, there is a clear difference between killing in war, and murder. Joshua was the first general of the Jewish nation, fighting the occupants of Canaan to secure the Jewish homeland. Did he sin? Not by killing the enemies of Israel. Just as David was not guilty of sin by killing Goliath. Cain, on the other hand, was jealous of Abel and murdered him. Because of this sin, he was banished.
Ever since I was a child the 10 commandments said (thou shalt not kill) and its only recently that they have changed that to (murder) because it fits in with the christain animal killing lifestyle.
Originally posted by vishvahetu
Jesus had the higher consciouness which doesnt identify with the tempory labelling of the body for eg: man, w ...[text shortened]... )
To say that jesus was a jew and identified himself as a jew is a million % wrong.
vishva
Second point. Get real. Jesus quite often separated people into divisions: man, woman, Jew, Samaritan. He was clearly Jewish by birth, and he clearly identified himself as a Jew since he partook of Passover. He also followed all of God's laws, as handed down by Moses. He spoke many times of Scripture. Yes, he saw himself as Spirit, he knew he was the only begotten Son of God, but he also saw himself as a Jew, and he often called himself the Son of Man. I don't know what more to say to convince you. Maybe you could find a bible and actually read the Gospels for a start. It's all in there. It won't take that long, go ahead.
20 Sep 10
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Originally posted by vishvahetu======================================
Ever since I was a child the 10 commandments said (thou shalt not kill) and its only recently that they have changed that to (murder) because it fits in with the christain animal killing lifestyle.
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Jesus didnt see himself as a jew, but the people around him probably did as you do today.....but with th
To say that jesus was a jew and identified himself as a jew is a million % wrong.
vishva
Jesus didnt see himself as a jew, but the people around him probably did as you do today.....but with the higher spiritul consciouness that he had, he saw himself as Atma (spirit)
To say that jesus was a jew and identified himself as a jew is a million % wrong.
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In John 4:22 Jesus identified the Jewish people with the word "we" which would include Jesus Himself:
"You worship that which you do not know; we worship that which we know for salvation is of the Jews."
And this is in the very same chapter where Jesus explains many divine and mystical things about eternal life and the fountain of living water springing up into eternal life.
Speaking many mystical and divine truths did not mean that Jesus was not a Jew.
In John chapter 4 on the living water springing up into eternal life Jesus still identified Himself as a Jew. And He claimed that salvation was of the Jews.
21 Sep 10
Originally posted by SuzianneThere is information in the Vedic Scriptures about animal sacrifice, I shall briefly explain.
Explain, if animal killing is so wrong, then, why did God require animal sacrifice at the Temple? In order to be sacrificed, the animals had to be killed. Why would God waver like that? Answer is, he doesn't. There is an entire subset of Jewish law (given from God to Moses) regarding which animals are clean to eat and which are unclean. I would imagine ...[text shortened]... ually read the Gospels for a start. It's all in there. It won't take that long, go ahead.
Common man wants to eat meat, and to eat meat one has to kill animals, and common man likes his/her meat so much, that he will stop at nothing to get it, and eat it.
So in Vedic culture there is a regulation to sacrifice the animal at the sacrificial alter, along with prayers and long complicated rituals.
This regulation is there to try and reduce animal killing, because if you had to perform a 5 hour sacrifce to eat you freshly killed animal, then you just might reduce your meat consumption, and the meat you do eat will have a less karmic affect on you if you perform the ritual.
All truth seekers who are sufficiently purified in heart and mind, know that the concession made for eating meat by sacrifice, is only meant for the people who are less intelligent, unpurified and of bad character (it is a concession only and is never never condoned , especially by God Guru or Sastra.
To be blunt it is a concession for the lowest of mankind, who have no proper character or virtue, and defective intelligence.
When jesus preached he condemed animal slaughter and was killed for his out spoken preaching, and now we have a book called the bible which allows it (thats bogus)
When you quote your scripture and say that Jesus said this, and Jesus said that.....its not actually true, but a fabrication by the bible writers,(ruling class) who wanted to write a bible that supported their outdated, untrue, false teachings.
Why on earth are you defending the slaughter of animals, what part of "Thou Shall Not Kill" do you not understand.
vishva
21 Sep 10
Originally posted by jaywillI was born in Australia, so everyone calls me an Aussie, and if I was into fast cars, fast women, football, prawns etc than I might just think that i am an Aussie a well.
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Jesus didnt see himself as a jew, but the people around him probably did as you do today.....but with the higher spiritul consciouness that he had, he saw himself as Atma (spirit)
To say that jesus was a jew and identified himself as a jew is a million % wrong.
========================================= ...[text shortened]... life Jesus still identified Himself as a Jew. And He claimed that salvation was of the Jews.
But for the spiritually insightfull person, this is nonsense because it is just a label....but if you are not spiritually aware, then you will definately think you are an aussie, and let me ask you something....How long are you an aussie for? when you die are you still an aussie? or if I go to Iraq and join the Taliban, am I still an aussie....or if I hate Australia and go to India and live, am I still an aussie.
If I am in an aeroplane over the Pacific Ocean when I am born, does that make me a Pacificarian....dont you see the illusion in all these labels, (think about it)
Jesus wasn,t into labels, he had the spiritual higher consciousness and was above the false identification with his place of birth, but the bible wont tell you this, because the bible is a scripture for the meat eaters (murderers) and has no information about these higher truths.
vishva
21 Sep 10
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Originally posted by vishvahetu=============================
I was born in Australia, so everyone calls me an Aussie, and if I was into fast cars, fast women, football, prawns etc than I might just think that i am an Aussie a well.
But for the spiritually insightfull person, this is nonsense because it is just a label....but if you are not spiritually aware, then you will definately think you are an aussie, and ...[text shortened]... ture for the meat eaters (murderers) and has no information about these higher truths.
vishva
But for the spiritually insightfull person, this is nonsense because it is just a label....but if you are not spiritually aware, then you will definately think you are an aussie, and let me ask you something....How long are you an aussie for? when you die are you still an aussie? or if I go to Iraq and join the Taliban, am I still an aussie....or if I hate Australia and go to India and live, am I still an aussie.
If I am in an aeroplane over the Pacific Ocean when I am born, does that make me a Pacificarian....dont you see the illusion in all these labels, (think about it)
Jesus wasn,t into labels, he had the spiritual higher consciousness and was above the false identification with his place of birth, but the bible wont tell you this, because the bible is a scripture for the meat eaters (murderers) and has no information about these higher truths.
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What I wrote to you about Jesus believing that He as a Jew is not anti-higher consciousness. It is not anti-deeper truth.
In this new humanity that Paul called the church there is no Jew or Greek, no Scythian or barbarian. It is quite true that Paul spoke of "one new man" transcending these divisions of race and nationality.
This is one side of the truth. Once again, I am not trying to be anti-higher consciousness or anti-higher unity.
At the same time, I must believe that Christ also had certain promises to keep to the Jewish nation for that sake of God's friend Abraham. And even when Christ speaks of Himself in the last book of the Bible, He ties Himself to the Jewish nation:
"I Jesus have sent My angel to testify to you these things for the churches. I am the Root and Offspring of David, the bright morning star." (Rev. 22:16)
The expression "The Root and Offspring of David" definitely denote the Jewish Messiah and "Son of David" - that is the Jewish messianic royal Anointed One of God.
So I think one has to have an enlarged capacity to appreciate that Christ came to fulfill multiple roles. One of these is to establish a "ONE NEW MAN" (Eph. 2:14,15) - a new humanity, the EKKLESIA or called out asssemly of sons of God. Another role is to keep certain promises to His kinsmen according to the Jewish nation of Israel. He comes again as the Root and Offspring of the Jewish king David.
As one who accepts the Bible as the revelation of God, I have to be enlarged to embrace both roles of the Son of God.
Now I have a question for you. What is the relationship of the Gita to the Vedic sacred books?
21 Sep 10
To Jaywill
The Bhagavad Gita (song of God ) originally appears as an episode in the Mahabharata, the epic Sanskrit history of the ancient world.
The Bhagavad Gita was spoken to Arjuna by Sri Krsna 5000 yrs ago in India (that doesnt mean its Indian). remember labels.
The Gita wasn,t spoken, it was sung like a poem, and the wonderfull poetic arrangement of its verses have been strangled by the translation process.
The cream of spiritual knowledge is the Srimad Bhagavatam (18000 verses) and all the Vedic teachings are coming to us in Sanskrit, which is the worlds oldest language, which is not spoken by common man but used specifically to transmit spiritual knowledge.
The Vedic teachings are vast and cover many subjects not just the spiritual, but also material subjects for eg: the Ayur veda (health and medicine), Astromony, Vanasram Dharma, warfare, agriculture, education and so on.
The Vedic knowledge pre-dates history itself and it has been with man for millions of years, but in the early days knowledge was passed down orally, because that far back, people were much more civilized and educated and knowledgeable, but we have hardly any hard evidence of that early civilization, because we are now in the 4th Yuga (kali yuga) iron age, and from now on everything will become more and more degraded ( yes I know we are very advanced materially ect) but as a human race we are becoming more ungodly and uncivilized. (thats a whole other topic)
Hey gotta go, but if you need more on this i can come back to it.
vishva
21 Sep 10
Originally posted by vishvahetuOh, I see. You can tell me that the Bible is false, and *your* scripture is true. Sorry, I don't buy it.
When you quote your scripture and say that Jesus said this, and Jesus said that.....its not actually true, but a fabrication by the bible writers
Originally posted by vishvahetu
Why on earth are you defending the slaughter of animals, what part of "Thou Shall Not Kill" do you not understand.
And what part of "Thou shalt not kill" that YOU do not "get" is the fact that the word is "murder", not "kill". I've already repeated myself. I'm not going to say it again, when you obviously didn't "get" it the first time.
21 Sep 10
Originally posted by SuzianneHi, the bible has been saying ever since i could walk "Thou Shalt Not Kill: but recently (maybe in the last 20-30 years) the bibles use the word Murder.
Oh, I see. You can tell me that the Bible is false, and *your* scripture is true. Sorry, I don't buy it.
And what part of "Thou shalt not kill" that YOU do not "get" is the fact that the word is "murder", not "kill". I've already repeated myself. I'm not going to say it again, when you obviously didn't "get" it the first time.
Now why have they done that? Answer: because they could not explain to the ever growing lobby of people who are behind animal rights, and also just the average person (who is a free thinker) who questioned the commandment "Thou Shalt Not Kill" in relationship to all the animal slaughter that we have in our christian countries.
They had no answer, so they changed the bible to fit with popular opinion (thats bogus)
When I say the bible is false, I mean that where it matters its false (all the important stuff)
If the bible says that god created the world, (then thats true), but anyone can realize that without a bible, and if the bible says that jesus travelled from one town to another town on his donkey, then thats probably true as well, but i am saying , all the important facts about spiritual life and god are not true.
Heres 1 example: the christians say that before your born, you didnt exist......but thats not true, the spirit soul is eternal just like God is eternal, and the soul has no beginning or end (because the soul is spirit, and not tempory like the body) ....the soul is a little piece of God, and thats what it really means to be made in the image of God.
The bible says we have 1 life, but thats not true, we have been around a long time, and have had millions of lives.
Knowing the truth of the soul, makes a big difference on your outlook on life.
vishva
22 Sep 10
Originally posted by vishvahetuSo God gave us our canine teeth for what-----to fill a gap so we'd be more photogenic?😀
If anything, iam following jesus because i understand what "Thou shalt not kill" means.......(you dont) and Ive been a vegetarian for 37 yrs.
Chrisianity is bogus because it doesn,t speak out against animal slaughter, and if jesus came back, then all the meat eating christians would be the first to go to the lake of fire that they believe in.
vishva
22 Sep 10
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Originally posted by vishvahetuGod slew animals and made clothes from the hides for Adam and Eve. Thus endeth the discourse on whether God forbids killing animals.
You know zero about jesus if you claim he ate meat, and what part of "thou shalt not kill", do you not understand.
It is common knowledge that sweets where refered to as (sweet meats) and not the flesh of animals, so now your the one in the hole....whats it like down there?
vishva