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-Removed-Didn’t Paul speak of three heavens? If Jesus in His Ascension was returning to the Father (and I think He was,) He was going to the third heaven. My understanding is Scripture uses the term “heaven” to refer to the sky and outer space, which would be the first and second heavens.
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My OP and my further comments are directed around why Jesus was last seen headed into the earths stratosphere. It’s not an unreasonable question, but as I said if you don’t want to discuss it or speculate as to why his physical body was heading into space, then that’s fine.
It was God's way of showing the world that Jesus is transcendent. It is special effects to make a point.
He is in every way high / higher / highest.
Hebrews 7:26 says He was made higher than the heavens.
" For such a High Priest was also fitting to us; holy, guileless, undefiled, separated from sinners and having become higher than the heavens."
Hebrews 4:14 says He passed through the heavens.
'Having therefore a great High Priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast the confession."
For anyone interested the term "the third heavens" is in Second Corinthians 12:2.
-Removed-Prickly and tetchy? Not at all.
I've already answered the OP and every other post you've made in this thread, but still, it appears, you're not satisfied.
If, as you say, "I know very well what the bible says...", then why are you asking the question about where Jesus went when He ascended into the clouds?
It seems to me, since I've not failed to continue to engage with you throughout, that when you say, "if you don’t want to discuss this or speculate on it then please feel free not to", that you're really saying you don't want to discuss this.
I think this is a good discussion, and I'm not at all bored or weary of it.
Biblically, I believe the matter is settled. It would be encouraging to see if we can arrive at unity with the Word.
-Removed-You said you know what the Bible teaches.
How is it you don't know where heaven is?
I'll help you out.
There is the heaven of the earths atmosphere.
There is the stellar heaven.
There is heaven where God abodes. That heaven is in eternity.
Please don't ask me where that is. All I know is it ain't here, although I've heard that eternity has been placed within our hearts. It's what gives us the longing to be with God, where we were originally created to be.
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-Removed-There are some who believe if the first heaven is the sky and the second is outer space, that the third heaven exists outside of space and time. On a separate note, if extraterrestrials are in fact demons, this would explain how UFOs can violate the laws of physics and “wink” in and out of our sky as several witnesses have reported.
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Originally posted by @romans1009If sentient beings exist on other planets, then you and I are extraterrestrials to them.
There are some who believe if the first heaven is the sky and the second is outer space, that the third heaven exists outside of space and time. On a separate note, if extraterrestrials are in fact demons, this would explain how UFOs can violate the laws of physics and “wink” in and out of our sky as several witnesses have reported.
Are we demons?
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Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-dukeFirstly, I don’t believe sentient beings exist on other planets, though it’s interesting that every atheist I’ve come across does.
If sentient beings exist on other planets, then you and I are extraterrestrials to them.
Are we demons?
Secondly, I don’t think we would be able to exhibit the ability to violate the laws of physics and wink in and out of the sky to sentient beings who exist in a terrestrial realm (and not a spiritual realm.)