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@sonship saidWatchman Nee had a ministry for China. Witness Lee set up a cult in the US.
@Ghost-of-a-DukeThat Witness Lee is a fraud is no conspiracy.
No, Witness Lee was the genuine thing - a man sent by God given to Christ's church. (Eph. 4:11)
By their fruits you will know them.
Anyway this brother left us in 1997.
Some people said the local churches would collapse once he died.
Its 2021 and the churches are spreadi ...[text shortened]... And I haven't seen much guidance on the big questions of life.
I'm going to stick with Christ.
It’s not the first time that the spiritual Apple has fallen far from its tree. You sonship, are caught up in a cult.
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@sonship saidThe Light of Christ is all the honor you need.
@divegeester
I wear your condemnation as a badge of honor.
Thankyou for the honor.
In many cases, there is nothing to be gained or improved by a personal response.
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@sonship saidMy post bore no condemnation, just facts.
@divegeester
I wear your condemnation as a badge of honor.
Thankyou for the honor.
But as you appreciate my input so much I will keep it coming 🙂
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@divegeester saidHas your religion no kindness at its core, even if that must be chosen time and time again against the tide?
My post bore no condemnation, just facts.
But as you appreciate my input so much I will keep it coming 🙂
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You sound like robbie carrobie and Galveston75 and his 'if people disapprove of us, our cult must be right' riff.
Another fond maneuver you have is to refer to long gone posters.
Remember Dasa.
Remember RJHinds.
Remember robbie carrobie.
Remember Galveston.
Remember somebody else.
I take these as your little red herrings brought back from the distant past.
I can do the same thing.
You sound like sonhouse
You sound like Void Spirit
You sound like whitehouse.
Big deal.
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@sonship saidIt’s not a red herring, he’s absolutely spot on that you behave just like a cult member, you post like a cult member.
@FMFYou sound like robbie carrobie and Galveston75 and his 'if people disapprove of us, our cult must be right' riff.
Another fond maneuver you have is to refer to long gone posters.
Remember Dasa.
Remember RJHinds.
Remember robbie carrobie.
Remember Galveston.
Remember somebody else.
I take these as your little red herrings brought back fr ...[text shortened]... sound like sonhouse
You sound like Void Spirit
You sound like whitehouse.
Big deal.
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@divegeester saidDo you post like a Christian?
It’s not a red herring, he’s absolutely spot on that you behave just like a cult member, you post like a cult member.
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@sonship saidHow have Ghost, avalanchethecat and I - the "three atheists on the Forum" as you put it- how have we done in answering the OP question?
Ghost, FMF, and avalanchethecat are three atheists on the Forum.
I invite them here to explain why all men and women too often CANNOT carry out the good that they know to do or CANNOT stop the evil that they know they should not do.
Why do human beings commit things against their conscience and fail to resist what their conscience does not approve of?
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@fmf saidI am not nearly as bothered by your cult label as you imagine.
It's not a maneuver. You have something in common with the two cult members I mentioned. They used to say the same thing as you said. Pointing it out is not a maneuver.
First of all "cult" has never been defined clearly here as far as I know.
Second of all if a "cult" holds to a true teaching, it isn't not true because they are called a cult. The early church in Jerusalem was called something like a cult and latter they called Paul a "ringleader" of this "way" which was spoken against EVERYWHERE.
Third, it is painfully evident to me that failure to prove that I am teaching some unbiblical things here has only resulted in critics playing the "cult" card as an alternative. Asking to be shown errors in explaining central matters of salvation is met with grumbles and "cult" calling. Basically these are just emotional appeals.
Fourth, some other Christians and qualified people to know MORE about the cultural phenomenon of cults have already gone on record that I do not meet with a cult.
"We Were Wrong" was the heading on an issue from CRI - (Christian Research Institute) saying after SIX YEARS of world travel and study of our literature they REVERSED their previous estimation. "We Were Wrong, They are not a cult after all." [paraphrased]
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FMF and other cult fighters of the Forum
A controversial group is not necessarily a cult.
A group with an influential serving minister (who incidentally died in 1997) is not necessarily a cult.
You drumming the "cult" drum does not have the effect on me you wish it had.
Cults usually have secret teachings. You cannot get to know what they really teach unless you get under the covers in secretive meetings. All the publications of the Living Stream Ministry are online for the world to see, examine, compare with the bible, scrutinize. There is nothing to hide.
www.ministrybooks.org
So go on and beat the "cult" drum as hard as you want.
I'll wait to see exactly WHERE what I have written here about the gospel is substantially unorthodox. I don't mean just the use of funny expressions. I mean show me where the gospel teaching is heretical.
Name one wrong teaching I have taught here compared to what the Bible teaches. ONE . Should be easy. And it can't be just something in which you don't like the way it was said. And it cannot be a few selectively highlighted words to falsely portray as scandalous.