@ghost-of-a-duke saidI am tempted by the cake... But I'm naturally dubious of any club which would admit someone like me. Also, I like being on the fence, it suits my nature. I have good balance.
Mostly carrot.
Come, join us. We are discussing Dive.
@avalanchethecat saidA cat belongs on the fence.
I am tempted by the cake... But I'm naturally dubious of any club which would admit someone like me. Also, I like being on the fence, it suits my nature. I have good balance.
@ghost-of-a-duke saidDagnabbit I shoulda thunk of that. See this is why I lose at chess.
A cat belongs on the fence.
@ghost-of-a-duke saidYeah where is he? I'd like to see his demolition of my response to his OP.
Nudge for sonship. Why ask if you are going to vanish?!
@avalanchethecat saidHe fired numerous questions at me at 2am (GMT) and then hides somewhere when I'm up and eating my cornflakes.
Yeah where is he? I'd like to see his demolition of my response to his OP.
@ghost-of-a-duke saidMust be recharging his batteries and loading his guns I guess.
He fired numerous questions at me at 2am (GMT) and then hides somewhere when I'm up and eating my cornflakes.
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@divegeester
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Paul explains this dynamic of overcoming the sinful nature in Romans, as you know, and he is talking to Christians not atheists as you also know.
Therefore, is you OP working on the assumption that atheists can do NO good
No.
@Ghost-of-a-Duke
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We are animals with basic instincts, such as greed and envy.
Don't you know this?
Why does your conscience at times condemn unbridled, unrestrained greed which you may fall prey to "instinctively"?
A group of rough "straight" guys instinctively feel to physically beat up a gay man.
Others would condemn them for not listening to their conscience for it.
1.) Should they excuse themselves that they are only behaving instinctively?
2.) What has happened to them that they are too weak to go along with their conscience not to physically harm the fellowman so?
@sonship saidA conscience is a product of our life experiences to that point and provides a standard to which we might sometimes fall short (and judge ourselves for).
Why does your conscience at times condemn unbridled, unrestrained greed which you may fall prey to "instinctively"?
So Mr X's established morality, marshaled by his developed conscience, might believe stealing is always wrong. However, due to a basic instinct of greed, lets himself down and gives into temptation when he sees an opportunity to steal a biscuit.
A conscience is a compass, not a straight jacket.
So Mr X's established morality, marshaled by his developed conscience, might believe stealing is always wrong. However, due to a basic instinct of greed, lets himself down and gives into temptation when he sees an opportunity to steal a biscuit.
A conscience is a compass, not a straight jacket.
Could Joseph Stalin, for the murder of millions of his countrymen, employ the excuse that "A conscience is a compass, not a straight jacket" ?
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@sonship saidWeak reply.
@Ghost-of-a-DukeSo Mr X's established morality, marshaled by his developed conscience, might believe stealing is always wrong. However, due to a basic instinct of greed, lets himself down and gives into temptation when he sees an opportunity to steal a biscuit.
A conscience is a compass, not a straight jacket.
Could Joseph Stalin, for the murder of m ...[text shortened]... ns of his countrymen, employ the excuse that "A conscience is a compass, not a straight jacket" ?
It has nothing to do with excuses. Our actions are simply not always dictated by our conscience. (In the same way the actions of a Christian are not always dictated by the religious values they've signed up to).
End of the day, all humans can and do ignore their conscience, and perhaps trade it for guilt.
