The Atheists will Guide

@ghost-of-a-duke said
Mostly carrot.

Come, join us. We are discussing Dive.

I am tempted by the cake... But I'm naturally dubious of any club which would admit someone like me. Also, I like being on the fence, it suits my nature. I have good balance.

@avalanchethecat said
I am tempted by the cake... But I'm naturally dubious of any club which would admit someone like me. Also, I like being on the fence, it suits my nature. I have good balance.

A cat belongs on the fence.

@ghost-of-a-duke said
A cat belongs on the fence.

Dagnabbit I shoulda thunk of that. See this is why I lose at chess.

@ghost-of-a-duke said
Nudge for sonship. Why ask if you are going to vanish?!

Yeah where is he? I'd like to see his demolition of my response to his OP.

@avalanchethecat said
Yeah where is he? I'd like to see his demolition of my response to his OP.

He fired numerous questions at me at 2am (GMT) and then hides somewhere when I'm up and eating my cornflakes.

@ghost-of-a-duke said
He fired numerous questions at me at 2am (GMT) and then hides somewhere when I'm up and eating my cornflakes.

Must be recharging his batteries and loading his guns I guess.

@divegeester

Replies may not be in expected order -

Paul explains this dynamic of overcoming the sinful nature in Romans, as you know, and he is talking to Christians not atheists as you also know.

Therefore, is you OP working on the assumption that atheists can do NO good

No.

@Ghost-of-a-Duke

Replies may not be in expected order.

We are animals with basic instincts, such as greed and envy.

Don't you know this?

Why does your conscience at times condemn unbridled, unrestrained greed which you may fall prey to "instinctively"?

A group of rough "straight" guys instinctively feel to physically beat up a gay man.

Others would condemn them for not listening to their conscience for it.

1.) Should they excuse themselves that they are only behaving instinctively?

2.) What has happened to them that they are too weak to go along with their conscience not to physically harm the fellowman so?

@sonship said

Why does your conscience at times condemn unbridled, unrestrained greed which you may fall prey to "instinctively"?

A conscience is a product of our life experiences to that point and provides a standard to which we might sometimes fall short (and judge ourselves for).

So Mr X's established morality, marshaled by his developed conscience, might believe stealing is always wrong. However, due to a basic instinct of greed, lets himself down and gives into temptation when he sees an opportunity to steal a biscuit.

A conscience is a compass, not a straight jacket.

@Ghost-of-a-Duke

So Mr X's established morality, marshaled by his developed conscience, might believe stealing is always wrong. However, due to a basic instinct of greed, lets himself down and gives into temptation when he sees an opportunity to steal a biscuit.

A conscience is a compass, not a straight jacket.

Could Joseph Stalin, for the murder of millions of his countrymen, employ the excuse that "A conscience is a compass, not a straight jacket" ?

@sonship said
@Ghost-of-a-Duke

So Mr X's established morality, marshaled by his developed conscience, might believe stealing is always wrong. However, due to a basic instinct of greed, lets himself down and gives into temptation when he sees an opportunity to steal a biscuit.

A conscience is a compass, not a straight jacket.

Could Joseph Stalin, for the murder of m ...[text shortened]... ns of his countrymen, employ the excuse that "A conscience is a compass, not a straight jacket" ?

Weak reply.

It has nothing to do with excuses. Our actions are simply not always dictated by our conscience. (In the same way the actions of a Christian are not always dictated by the religious values they've signed up to).

End of the day, all humans can and do ignore their conscience, and perhaps trade it for guilt.

@divegeester said
I couldn’t figure out why you have suddenly turned into a total tosser ... then I checked your profile and I see that you joined The Ghost Chamber a couple of days ago.

Bless you for trying to impress your new buddies in there, I’m sure they will be back-slapping you big time. Hey you might even get a hobnob from the king of douches himself.

🤩

I didn't think you were in the club any more.

@divegeester said
Ghost of a Duke’s private club which he specifically set up to gut the General Forum of a core distribution of the key contributors in an effort to ostracise Very Rusty due to his incessant spamming of every thread.

The club became a lobby for Ghost of a Duke to create a poo-storm out of a nothing event that occurred between him and FMF in real life and which he nurtu ...[text shortened]... urce of strife between members ever since.

But I’d join up if I were you, Kevin Eleven loves it.

Still going with that fairy tale, I see.

@fmf said
One man's "weak as piss attempt" is another man's endeavour to get Suzianne's approval.

Another fairy tale. No point too low, eh?

@suzianne said
Another fairy tale. No point too low, eh?

In page 4 of this thread, your clubmate accused me of wanting to make people commit suicide. Do you endorse that accusation?