07 Nov 11
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Originally posted by bbarrYou obviously have no clue what you're talking about and since I know deep down that you have me pegged completely wrong via stereotype or for some other reason I don't care to identify... I can safely and honestly conclude that you are simply a hateful human being that hates just for the sake of hating. You can internalize and make all the excuses you want for your bigotry, but because you so willfully (and thank you) exposed your inner thoughts, the bigotry is no longer thinly veiled. Rather it is out there, basking in its own glory, proudly modeling it's pus-dripping sores and fanning them so we can all smell the rot.
There is no joy in finding you repulsive. I don't enjoy the anger. It's similar when I am confronted by racism or misogyny. It's just a deep, visceral disgust. I would prefer it if you were capable of seeing the love expressed in the homosexual relationships of my sister and cousin as beautiful and worthy of respect as the love expressed in the best heterose eligion is misanthropy and the inculcation of shame. You get to live with that.
You might be educated. You might even be smart. But you are one ugly, hate-filled bigot that spends entirely too much time crafting wordy false accusations about others. When there is that much hate welling up inside, I guess it simply can't be contained.
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07 Nov 11
Originally posted by sumydidI don't believe Bbar has expressed any bigotry. He certainly has contempt for the views you hold but I do not believe anything he has said qualifies as hate-speech. In fact, he has several times affirmed your right to express your views, whatever his own visceral reaction might be.
You obviously have no clue what you're talking about and since I know deep down that you have me pegged completely wrong via stereotype or for some other reason I don't care to identify... I can safely and honestly conclude that you are simply a hateful human being that hates just for the sake of hating. You can internalize and make all the ex ...[text shortened]... When there is that much hate welling up inside, I guess it simply can't be contained.
Personally, I find it difficult not to have contempt for you, Whodey and RJHinds. It is not because you disapprove of homosexual relationships (and here, I discount platonic homosexual relationships because that's ridiculous.) It is the fact that you are uninterested in a mature debate, you abuse statistics and are unwilling to respond to reasonable objections to those statistics. Bbar is right, any argument you present is ad hoc and post hoc. You are not coming objectively to the issue of homosexuality with an open mind; you have already reached your conclusion, probably out of some received prejudice, and any argument/evidence you employ is just a convenient defense of that conclusion, even when conspicuously implausible.
Well, the two of you are welcome to waller in your false conclusions. It seems the both of you have a penchant for lumping everyone together and interchanging what each says and attributing it to whomever it conveniences you at the time.
And that is the very definition of bigotry and prejudice.
All I ever said is that the act of anal penetration bothers me and makes me feel ill.
I've never, ever, ever in these forums not once said a disparaging word toward the gay community, though my personal stance against anal sex could be seen as an anti-gay opinion. Me? I separate the 2. Just like adultery sickens me but I don't hate the people themselves for doing it. I just stay away from them and when asked, I state my opinion about what they've done.
Truth be told, the vast majority of men in this world get very disturbed when the subject of gay anal sex comes up.
Maybe you should quit hating people for having that reaction, and simply understand that it's their personal opinion and if you want, blame it on conditioning.
But to have a "visceral disgust" for someone because they don't support "slong insertion" and don't like threads that center on the subject being posted in the Spiritual Forum... well, that's a little bit of an over reaction if you ask me. Hence the conclusion that you're bigoted and prejudiced.
So keep on calling ME bigoted and prejudiced; keep on saying you have a severe disgust and contempt for me; and keep throwing those stones from your glass house. The people here that are bright enough to figure it out, will figure it out. The rest may be fooled by your rhetoric, but, there's nothing I can do about that beyond defending myself. And now that I've done it, I'll bid you ado.
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07 Nov 11
Originally posted by sumydidWell, the two of you are welcome to waller in your false conclusions. It seems the both of you have a penchant for lumping everyone together and interchanging what each says and attributing it to whomever it conveniences you at the time.
Well, the two of you are welcome to waller in your false conclusions. It seems the both of you have a penchant for lumping everyone together and interchanging what each says and attributing it to whomever it conveniences you at the time.
And that is the very definition of bigotry and prejudice.
All I ever said is that the act of anal penetration bothe ...[text shortened]... about that beyond defending myself. And now that I've done it, I'll bid you ado.
Not at all. Whatever my longstanding differences with Robbie, I think here he was sensitive, at least when writing to me.
07 Nov 11
Originally posted by Conrau KWhat is your beef with me? I think I have been a perfect gentleman by
I don't believe Bbar has expressed any bigotry. He certainly has contempt for the views you hold but I do not believe anything he has said qualifies as hate-speech. In fact, he has several times affirmed your right to express your views, whatever his own visceral reaction might be.
Personally, I find it difficult not to have contempt for you, Whodey and ...[text shortened]... u employ is just a convenient defense of that conclusion, even when conspicuously implausible.
sharing my love and the knowledge of the truth of God.
Originally posted by wolfgang59whether its 'enjoyed', my learned friend is neither here nor there, meta amphetamines
Got to pick you up on this Robbie!!
Anal stimulation can and is enjoyed by men and women regardless of whether or not they are heterosexual, homosexual or ambivalent.
http://www.ivillage.com/5-myths-anal-sex-uncovered/4-a-284083
If you disregard "non-sexual" parts of the body then surely you must also frown upon toe-sucking, ear-nibbling, thigh-stroking and ... that disgusting practice of mutual eating - french kissing!!
are enjoyed, it does not necessitate that they are healthy! The anus is a one way
system, podgering around it with implements cannot be healthy for purely
physiological reasons, irrespective of whether its enjoyable or otherwise.
07 Nov 11
Originally posted by Conrau Kactually Conrua i acknowledged what you said, i even read the article from the
Sure. Anal sex is not healthy. But why do you equate this with homosexuality? Anal sex is practiced in heterosexual relationships too and there are many gay men who refuse to engage in anal sex. I have said this so many times that this is likely just another wasted effort. Hopefully it will sink through eventually though.
progress web site that you posted. Its stated that some 40% do engage in it. That
heterosexuals also engage in it does not make it either healthy nor acceptable. To
attempt to use the non practice of anal sex as a legitimising factor is rather tenuous i
think.
07 Nov 11
Originally posted by robbie carrobieBut the glaring elephant in the room that no one seems to be able to find is this. We are Gods creation (speaking from the point of view of a Christian here), and for God sodomy is such an abomination that he felt the need to condemn people to death in the OT. Then why did he create us with the ability to orgasm purely through penetrative anal sex. That just seems a bit daft and counter productive?!
whether its 'enjoyed', my learned friend is neither here nor there, meta amphetamines
are enjoyed, it does not necessitate that they are healthy! The anus is a one way
system, podgering around it with implements cannot be healthy for purely
physiological reasons, irrespective of whether its enjoyable or otherwise.
Rob, to your other point earlier. Oral sex unclean? Do you not have soap and water up in Scotland??? Come on.
07 Nov 11
Originally posted by Proper KnobSpeaking from the point of view of the evolutionists, maybe God did not
But the glaring elephant in the room that no one seems to be able to find is this. We are Gods creation (speaking from the point of view of a Christian here), and for God sodomy is such an abomination that he felt the need to condemn people to death in the OT. Then why did he create us with the ability to orgasm purely through penetrative anal sex. That ...[text shortened]... other point earlier. Oral sex unclean? Do you not have soap and water up in Scotland??? Come on.
make us this way but we evolved to such a state or maybe degenerated.
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07 Nov 11
Originally posted by robbie carrobieI am not legitimising anything. The point is that it is wrong to couple homosexuality with anal sex when many gay couples do not engage in it yet a growing number of heterosexual couples do. It is clearly a fictitious stereotype to equate homosexuality with anal sex. Despite everyone's remonstrations that sex is different from intimacy, you have all implied that homosexuality and anal sex are roughly the same and so statistics on the dangers of anal sex have some bearing on the morality of homosexuality.
actually Conrua i acknowledged what you said, i even read the article from the
progress web site that you posted. Its stated that some 40% do engage in it. That
heterosexuals also engage in it does not make it either healthy nor acceptable. To
attempt to use the non practice of anal sex as a legitimising factor is rather tenuous i
think.
07 Nov 11
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Originally posted by Conrau Kwell ok then, perhaps we have learned something, we shall differentiate between
I am not legitimising anything. The point is that it is wrong to couple homosexuality with anal sex when many gay couples do not engage in it yet a growing number of heterosexual couples do. It is clearly a fictitious stereotype to equate homosexuality with anal sex. Despite everyone's remonstrations that sex is different from intimacy, you have all implied ...[text shortened]... nd so statistics on the dangers of anal sex have some bearing on the morality of homosexuality.
homosexuals who practice anal sex and those who do not. I do not think that the
dangers of anal sex were exclusively applied to homosexuals, clearly the physiological
basis was provided irrespective of the consideration of whether a homosexual or a
heterosexual engages in the practice.
The moral aspect apart from these other concerns is purely Biblical. The physiological
basis for the argument against sodomy was merely provided for the consideration of
those who do not accept any of the biblical mandates or principles.