The Bible accepts homosexuality!

Originally posted by Zahlanzi
clearly

Clearly?

Why do you need the approval of Christians or the Christian God ?

Originally posted by Proper Knob
Sitting down all day is unhealthy, but that's beside the point.

Is it your interpretation that God only condemns the practice of anal sex as a sin or is it homosexuality in general. Raj states he thinks that only the 'act' is a sin. What's the JW view?

yes it is,

We do not condemn the person, every one can change and bring their life into harmony
with biblical standards. Our view is that sex is a beautiful thing, an opportunity to share
intimate expression, a gift from God, it should not be cheapened. We do not practice
therefore forms of sex which we view as both unclean and degrading, such as sodomy
and oral sex. We also do not approve of pre marital sex.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
yes it is,

We do not condemn the person, every one can change and bring their life into harmony
with biblical standards. Our view is that sex is a beautiful thing, an opportunity to share
intimate expression, a gift from God, it should not be cheapened. We do not practice
therefore forms of sex which we view as both unclean and degrading, such as sodomy
and oral sex. We also do not approve of pre marital sex.

So if a gay person doesn't engage in sodomy or oral sex that is okay, they are not sinners?

On the minus side, doesn't look like i'll ever be a JW.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
So if a gay person doesn't engage in sodomy or oral sex that is okay, they are not sinners?

On the minus side, doesn't look like i'll ever be a JW.

We're all sinners my good man! 😀

Hey, if someone sees the opportunity to steal and has the propensity for stealing, but doesn't steal, are they doing wrong?

If someone becomes infatuated with another's wife but doesn't commit adultery, are they doing wrong?

Etc.

It's about our actions, not our natural sinful inclinations. Right Robbie?

Originally posted by Proper Knob
So if a gay person doesn't engage in sodomy or oral sex that is okay, they are not sinners?

On the minus side, doesn't look like i'll ever be a JW.

its an interesting point, clearly Christ warned against cultivating desire for a person to
whom, for whatever reason, are out of bounds, whether of the same sex or married to
another person, or even not a Christian., Thus he speaks of committing adultery within
ones heart. What the implications of this are are may prove to be quite interesting,
but it will need a little research. Ill get back to you, for i don't want to state a position
that is not fully accurate with our beliefs.

I believe every one has the ability to change and bring their life into harmony with
Biblical standards, many simply dont see the need nor want to. Everyone has free will
and must decide for themselves.

Originally posted by sumydid
We're all sinners my good man! 😀

Hey, if someone sees the opportunity to steal and has the propensity for stealing, but doesn't steal, are they doing wrong?

If someone becomes infatuated with another's wife but doesn't commit adultery, are they doing wrong?

Etc.

It's about our actions, not our natural sinful inclinations. Right Robbie?

It's about our actions, not our natural sinful inclinations. Right Robbie?

I dunno dude, Christ does make reference to committing adultery within ones heart.
This leads me to believe that one should carefully guard ones heart, for its the seat of
motivation and desire. I need to research it and think about it.

Originally posted by sumydid
We're all sinners my good man! 😀

Hey, if someone sees the opportunity to steal and has the propensity for stealing, but doesn't steal, are they doing wrong?

If someone becomes infatuated with another's wife but doesn't commit adultery, are they doing wrong?

Etc.

It's about our actions, not our natural sinful inclinations. Right Robbie?

I understand Christians believe we are sinners. I'm just trying to ascertain from my Jehovah's Witness friend what his organisations stance is on homosexuals joining the 'team'. If i am gay but do not practice sodomy or oral sex am i allowed in?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
It's about our actions, not our natural sinful inclinations. Right Robbie?

I dunno dude, Christ does make reference to committing adultery within ones heart.
This leads me to believe that one should carefully guard ones heart, for its the seat of
motivation and desire. I need to research it and think about it.

Yes... there's that. I think He was saying we should not willfully focus on it mentally or fantasize about doing it. We should remove it from our mind the instant it enters.

I catch myself all the time, driving to work or whatever, and a female jogger comes into view. I have to fight real hard to keep from taking a long look at her body or body parts as we cross paths. It's not easy. But I take moments like that very seriously.

Originally posted by RJHinds
Is it really loving for a father to let his child run wild and do anything he
wants to do? I am glad I did not have that kind of father. I was punished
for my bad behavior and learned responsiblity for my actions from it. You
on the other hand may be too stupid to learn any responsiblity or teach
anyone else any responsibility for there actions. A reprobate mind at best.

...You on the other hand may be too stupid to...
FYI it helps if one isn't a complete moron when they suggest another may be stupid. 😵

Originally posted by sumydid
Yes... there's that. I think He was saying we should not willfully focus on it mentally or fantasize about doing it. We should remove it from our mind the instant it enters.

I catch myself all the time, driving to work or whatever, and a female jogger comes into view. I have to fight real hard to keep from taking a long look at her body or body parts as we cross paths. It's not easy. But I take moments like that very seriously.

I have to fight real hard to keep from taking a long look at her body or body parts as we cross paths.......................But I take moments like that very seriously

I actually put my head in my hands and shook it with disbelief.

There is nothing wrong with admiring Gods creation is there? Good grief man, you're built to admire the female form.

Originally posted by sumydid
Yes... there's that. I think He was saying we should not willfully focus on it mentally or fantasize about doing it. We should remove it from our mind the instant it enters.

I catch myself all the time, driving to work or whatever, and a female jogger comes into view. I have to fight real hard to keep from taking a long look at her body or body parts as we cross paths. It's not easy. But I take moments like that very seriously.

yeah, lady joggers, its all the jiggly bits that get us. I think the Christ made an
excellent point which really qualifies his statement, 'everyone that keeps on looking'.
Obviously we cannot go about with our heads down every time a pretty lady jogger
happens to jiggle past, we may merely appreciate Gods wonderful creation and leave it
at that.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
yeah, lady joggers, its all the jiggly bits that get us. I think the Christ made an
excellent point which really qualifies his statement, 'everyone that keeps on looking'.
Obviously we cannot go about with our heads down every time a pretty lady jogger
happens to jiggle past, we may merely appreciate Gods wonderful creation and leave it
at that.

Oh Robbie you made me laugh REALLY LOUD!!!

aaahahaahahahahahahahahahahahaa...

Indeed, brother. I've had that thought cross my mind many times!! "Well.... it IS God's creation and all... can't I just bask in its beauty?" aahahahahahahahahah


Love ya man!

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
yeah, lady joggers, its all the jiggly bits that get us. I think the Christ made an
excellent point which really qualifies his statement, 'everyone that keeps on looking'.
Obviously we cannot go about with our heads down every time a pretty lady jogger
happens to jiggle past, we may merely appreciate Gods wonderful creation and leave it
at that.

Jiggly bits?

Sickos!! 😠

Edit: Just out of curiousity, how jiggly are we talking here?

Originally posted by whodey
Jiggly bits?

Sickos!! 😠

Edit: Just out of curiousity, how jiggly are we talking here?

I wouldn't know. I didn't look!



😠


*Looks at Robbie with an indignant scowl*

Well, Robbie? How jiggly were these "bits"? 😠

Originally posted by sumydid
Well, Robbie? How jiggly were these "bits"? 😠[/b]

Don't expect him to answer. He is nothing but a tease if you ask me.