Originally posted by Conrau KAs far as I am concerned, gays are no different from the many other types of sinners. I would therefore treat them with the same concern as a fornicator, a liar, a thief, an adulterer. I would tell them that their activity is condemned in the Bible and they should make an effort to stop.
Just a question to those who believe homosexual relationships are morally abominable, what support do you give to the gay community to help them? In the past year, there have been four publicised cases of gay youth suicides in the USA. It is a well-documented fact that gay youth generally are more disposed to depression. Apart from condemning homosexuality as abominable, do you offer any positive help?
Originally posted by Rajk999Could you provide a list of sins. I'd interested to read them.
As far as I am concerned, gays are no different from the many other types of sinners. I would therefore treat them with the same concern as a fornicator, a liar, a thief, an adulterer. I would tell them that their activity is condemned in the Bible and they should make an effort to stop.
Originally posted by Rajk999I did and only got the seven deadly sins. I tried again and got a list of 600+.
Google it or read the Bible.
http://www.amazingbible.org/Documents/Bible_Studies/Sin_list_part_6.htm
I like number 18 - Backbiting - Psalm15:1-3
That's every Christian in this forum doomed then.
Originally posted by Rajk999Are you of the belief that sexual inclination is a choice?
As far as I am concerned, gays are no different from the many other types of sinners. I would therefore treat them with the same concern as a fornicator, a liar, a thief, an adulterer. I would tell them that their activity is condemned in the Bible and they should make an effort to stop.
Originally posted by Proper KnobI said the same thing in an earlier page of this thread.
I did and only got the seven deadly sins. I tried again and got a list of 600+.
http://www.amazingbible.org/Documents/Bible_Studies/Sin_list_part_6.htm
I like number 18 - Backbiting - Psalm15:1-3
That's every Christian in this forum doomed then.
ALL those are sins and ALL of us have sinned.
If I were the leader of a church I would not excommunicate an openly gay couple when there are 3 openly adulterous men and 5 openly fornicating women and 25 gossipping women, and 6 gluttonous ... etc etc ..
All are sinners in the eyes of God and all fall short.
Originally posted by Proper KnobNo. Its a genetic matter.
Are you of the belief that sexual inclination is a choice?
Still it does not make it right.
Kleptomaniacs have a genetic flaw.
Many men cannot help but have sex with as many women as possible.
Gluttony can also be traced back to our genes.
Still there is no excuse which can make all thsoe things acceptable in the eyes of God.
But only God knows the reason why we sin and God will judge.
Originally posted by Rajk999No. Its a genetic matter.
No. Its a genetic matter.
Still it does not make it right.
Kleptomaniacs have a genetic flaw.
Many men cannot help but have sex with as many women as possible.
Gluttony can also be traces back to our genes.
Still there is no excuse which can make all thsoe things acceptable in the eyes of God.
But only God knows the reason why we sin and God will judge.
Yet God made us and is responsible for those genes. It seems a trifle unfair to make people who are gay and then condemn them to death?
Originally posted by Proper KnobYou dont know that God will condemn them to death.
[b]No. Its a genetic matter.
Yet God made us and is responsible for those genes. It seems a trifle unfair to make people who are gay and then condemn them to death?[/b]
God will not necessarily condemn all sinners.
You dont know.
Originally posted by Proper KnobRead this story and tell me what you think. Im sure you know better than to judge Christianity by what the OT said. You are well aware that Christ is the head of the Christian church ...
There are strict Biblical laws which state that homosexuals should be put to death.
Read and shut up :
And early in the morning he came again into the temple, and all the people came unto him; and he sat down, and taught them. And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst, They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act. Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou? This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not. So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her. And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground. And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst. When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee? She said, No man, Lord. [b]And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.
(John 8:2-11)
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Originally posted by Rajk999This is what you said earlier -
You dont know that God will condemn them to death.
God will not necessarily condemn all sinners.
You dont know.
I would therefore treat them with the same concern as a fornicator, a liar, a thief, an adulterer.
People can make a choice whether to have sex before marriage, i can choose whether to lie or not, i can choose whether or not to steal something and a can certainly make a choose regarding sleeping with another mans wife. But by your own admission gay people cannot make a choice whether they are gay or not.
Originally posted by Proper KnobBut they can make a choice about whether or not to have sex.
This is what you said earlier -
I would therefore treat them with the same concern as a fornicator, a liar, a thief, an adulterer.
People can make a choice whether to have sex before marriage, i can choose whether to lie or not, i can choose whether or not to steal something and a can certainly make a choose regarding sleeping with ...[text shortened]... ans wife. But by your own admission gay people cannot make a choice whether they are gay or not.