Spirituality
12 Oct 19
@rajk999 saidYou really have got this seriously wrong pal
You are a Catholic hence your ignorance. The Maccabees has 4 books.
The last thing that I am is Catholic after the violence that was dished out to me as a child
And as for the books of Maccabees if you go onto the catholic web site it states 2 books of Maccabees.
Of course this confirms what I was beginning to suspect that you are way off the beaten track - by the way if you ask all those good people that have sought you out about Maccabees if they are that good they will correct your thinking; not sure that anyone will be able to put you straight.
01 Dec 19
@medullah saidSeems like they also removed your brain. You are not a Catholic and yet you seem to think that they are some authority. Why are you referring to their website?
You really have got this seriously wrong pal
The last thing that I am is Catholic after the violence that was dished out to me as a child
And as for the books of Maccabees if you go onto the catholic web site it states 2 books of Maccabees.
Of course this confirms what I was beginning to suspect that you are way off the beaten track - by the way if you ask all thos ...[text shortened]... re that good they will correct your thinking; not sure that anyone will be able to put you straight.
The Greek Septuagint, the bible used by the Apostles, has 4 Maccabees. Go educate yourself.
@rajk999 saidThis is where you go, talking down to people.
Seems like they also removed your brain. You are not a Catholic and yet you seem to think that they are some authority. Why are you referring to their website?
The Greek Septuagint, the bible used by the Apostles, has 4 Maccabees. Go educate yourself.
The only bible that I'm aware of that has the book of Maccabees in it is the Douay version, which has a canon of 73 books, two of which are the books of Maccabees.
So yes I would assume the Catholics are an authority on the bible that they produce - if not them who else?
I am referring to their web site for your education. It's either education that you need or humility, possibly a helping of each.
01 Dec 19
@medullah saidDidymus
This is where you go, talking down to people.
The only bible that I'm aware of that has the book of Maccabees in it is the Douay version, which has a canon of 73 books, two of which are the books of Maccabees.
So yes I would assume the Catholics are an authority on the bible that they produce - if not them who else?
I am referring to their web site for your education. It's either education that you need or humility, possibly a helping of each.
Sumydid
01 Dec 19
@medullah saidIF you talk garbage and I correct you and you continue to insist that your garbage is correct then I will talk down to you because you have demonstrated that you are a damn fool.
This is where you go, talking down to people.
The only bible that I'm aware of that has the book of Maccabees in it is the Douay version, which has a canon of 73 books, two of which are the books of Maccabees.
So yes I would assume the Catholics are an authority on the bible that they produce - if not them who else?
I am referring to their web site for your education. It's either education that you need or humility, possibly a helping of each.
Do you think that Christ and the Apostles used the Catholic bible? What kind of moron are you?
02 Dec 19
@kellyjay said"...from the wrath of the Lamb, for the great day of their wrath has come, and who can stand?"
Much is made of God being love, He is love, but that doesn't mean anger cannot come from Him either. I love my kids, and if someone attempted to harm them, there would be love for my kids, and anger towards the one who is trying to harm them. So we see this,
"...from the wrath of the Lamb, for the great day of their wrath has come, and who can stand?"
A day is approach ...[text shortened]... rone, and from the wrath of the Lamb, for the great day of their wrath has come, and who can stand?”
I was going to put the next portion of Revelation in this when this caught my eye. Note that the Lamb that slain for sins of the world, it is the Lamb's day of wrath that is coming. We are going to be confronted by Him to give an account of our lives; every single thing about our lives will be brought up, nothing kept secret. Our sins were so great it took the Lamb's life in our place to save us from our sins, so those who received him a Lord and Savior sins will have been paid for by Jesus Christ.
Those that chose other paths ignored it, belittled this great salvation, are going to stand in the presence of the one who took it all for them, and have it thrown back into His face. His wrath the very thing He was trying to save them from, now comes, and there is no escape they will experience the wrath of God and nothing else.
@rajk999 saidYou are so full of your own greatness and up your backside, you just don't get it do you?
IF you talk garbage and I correct you and you continue to insist that your garbage is correct then I will talk down to you because you have demonstrated that you are a damn fool.
Do you think that Christ and the Apostles used the Catholic bible? What kind of moron are you?
It would help if you actually read was typed before launching into personal attacks.
Let me make this nice an easy. We know many of the scrolls that were in used by those of Jesus's day because he and the disciples frequently quoted from them; they never quote from the two books of Maccabees (four in your case) which is why it is considered a historical account (and dates from 175 BCE) - part of the apocryphal, and not considered inspired .
There is only one bible that I am aware of that uses the books of Maccabees (two of them); the Douay version (Catholic), and the rational behind the way the book has been compiled is therefore on their web site. If you have a translation with four books of Maccabees then it isn't main stream, and would explain why you have so many weird ideas; you probably wrote them yourself when you were on holiday from fantasy land.
Having now read through your stuff, where you seem to infer that you are gathering your own followers, it wouldn't surprise me if you were to tell me that in your translation there were actually two Christs; Judas Iscariot had an Uncle Albert; and the People's Judean front weren't a figment of John Cleese's imagination but also had their own five-a-side football team.
What are you going to try and tell me next? Adam ate an apple; Jonah was swallowed by a whale; both of the Jesus boys were born on the 25th December; and that there were three wise men??
02 Dec 19
@divegeester
Which passage (no pun intended) do you want to take issue with?
Or was this a question to everyone else but not me?
02 Dec 19
@medullah saidYou are as dumb as a doornail. Whether or not the Maccabees were included in the Septuagint [the bible of the Apostles] is not a matter of opinion but a matter of fact. It was included, all four of them. The Catholics removed two of them. Who cares why. The Catholics removed several other books as well. There is nothing to argue about.
You are so full of your own greatness and up your backside, you just don't get it do you?
It would help if you actually read was typed before launching into personal attacks.
Let me make this nice an easy. We know many of the scrolls that were in used by those of Jesus's day because he and the disciples frequently quoted from them; they never quote from the two books ...[text shortened]... a whale; both of the Jesus boys were born on the 25th December; and that there were three wise men??
Its is not about greatness, but getting ones facts correct before opening your mouth and making yourself a jackass.
03 Dec 19
@medullah saidI looked it up and found this. 🙂
You are so full of your own greatness and up your backside, you just don't get it do you?
It would help if you actually read was typed before launching into personal attacks.
Let me make this nice an easy. We know many of the scrolls that were in used by those of Jesus's day because he and the disciples frequently quoted from them; they never quote from the two books ...[text shortened]... a whale; both of the Jesus boys were born on the 25th December; and that there were three wise men??
The books of 3 and 4 Maccabees – What are they?
https://www.compellingtruth.org/third-fourth-Maccabees.html
Most agree 4 Maccabees was written prior to AD 70. It is listed as canon in the Georgian Orthodox Bible. The other Maccabees, 5 Maccabees, is also known as the Arabic 2 Maccabees, and was written much later. Most Protestant churches and denominations do not consider any of the five Maccabees books to be canon, or part of the inspired Word of God.
03 Dec 19
@kellyjay saidWho cares. There are just two issues here.
I looked it up and found this. 🙂
The books of 3 and 4 Maccabees – What are they?
https://www.compellingtruth.org/third-fourth-Maccabees.html
Most agree 4 Maccabees was written prior to AD 70. It is listed as canon in the Georgian Orthodox Bible. The other Maccabees, 5 Maccabees, is also known as the Arabic 2 Maccabees, and was written much later. Most Protestant chur ...[text shortened]... ns do not consider any of the five Maccabees books to be canon, or part of the inspired Word of God.
1. What bible did the Apostles and early Christians use?
2. Was the Maccabees included and how many books were there?
Answers
1. the Septuagint
2. Yes, 4
Here are the books:
Genesis
Exodus
Leviticus
Numbers
Deuteronomy
Joshua
Judges
Ruth
Kings I
Kings II
Kings III
Kings IV
Chronicles I
Chronicles II
Ezra
I Esdras
Nehemiah
Tobit
Judith
Esther
I Maccabees
II Maccabees
III Maccabees
IV Maccabees
Job
Psalms
Proverbs
Ecclesiastes
Song of Songs
Wisdom
Sirach
Esaias
Jeremias
Lamentations
Baruch
Jezekiel
Daniel
Osee
Joel
Amos
Obdias
Jonas
Michaeas
Naum
Ambacum
Sophonias
Aggaeus
Zacharias
Malachias
http://ecmarsh.com/lxx/Genesis/index.htm