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12 Oct 19
Revelation 1 English Standard Version (ESV)
The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show to his servants the things that must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John, who bore witness to the word of God and to the testimony of Jesus Christ, even to all that he saw. Blessed is the one who reads aloud the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear, and who keep what is written in it, for the time is near.
For those who do not believe in God, all answers to questions about this book will be received with that knowledge in mind. For those that make a claim of belief in God, your opinion is really being looked for.
Now, right out of the gate for those who claim to believe did John receive the context of this book from God or did he make it up? Is the opening of this book of God or man? If true and you believe, have you ever read this book aloud?
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It is the climax of the revelation of the whole Bible.
And I have read it aloud, sang it, prayed with it too. And of course I study in it still every year.
Once me and two other guys sat in the town center and read aloud about the first four chapters. And we were quite blessed with the enjoyment of doing so.
I believe John wrote Revelation before he wrote the Gospel of John.
12 Oct 19
@sonship saidWhy do you think Revelation was before the gospel? I actually had never wondered about that until just now as you said that.
@KellyJay
It is the climax of the revelation of the whole Bible.
And I have read it aloud, sang it, prayed with it too. And of course I study in it still every year.
Once me and two other guys sat in the town center and read aloud about the first four chapters. And we were quite blessed with the enjoyment of doing so.
I believe John wrote Revelation before he wrote the Gospel of John.
I can’t believe the literalist is going to play copy/paste with the text in Revelation.
Continuing chapter 1 with v 12-16
Then I turned to see the voice that was speaking with me.
And having turned, I saw seven golden lampstands, and among the lampstands was One like the Son of Man, dressed in a long robe, with a golden sash around His chest. The hair of His head was white like wool, as white as snow, and His eyes were like a blazing fire. His feet were like polished bronze refined in a furnace, and His voice was like the roar of many waters. He held in His right hand seven stars, and a sharp double-edged sword came from His mouth. His face was like the sun shining at its brightest.
In these first 5 verses after the prologue I count 3 metaphors and 6 similes.
Kind of sets the tone for the whole book, including the allegories or course...
12 Oct 19
@sonship saidI was about to like your deleted post, but it isn't possible. 🙂
@KellyJay
It is the climax of the revelation of the whole Bible.
And I have read it aloud, sang it, prayed with it too. And of course I study in it still every year.
Once me and two other guys sat in the town center and read aloud about the first four chapters. And we were quite blessed with the enjoyment of doing so.
I believe John wrote Revelation before he wrote the Gospel of John.
@kellyjay saidThere is no such thing as 'reads aloud' in the KJV, neither is it in the original Greek manuscripts. You quote from your church approved translation the ESV. Sonship does the same and so do the JWs. You people all have your own version of Gods Word to which additional words designed alter the meaning have been inserted into the bible.
Revelation 1 English Standard Version (ESV)
The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show to his servants the things that must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John, who bore witness to the word of God and to the testimony of Jesus Christ, even to all that he saw. Blessed is the one who reads aloud the words of this prophecy ...[text shortened]... the opening of this book of God or man? If true and you believe, have you ever read this book aloud?
That alone is a grave error and a sin punishable by damnation.
`For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: (Revelation 22:18 KJV)
@rajk999 saidRevelation 1 King James Version (KJV)
There is no such thing as 'reads aloud' in the KJV, neither is it in the original Greek manuscripts. You quote from your church approved translation the ESV. Sonship does the same and so do the JWs. You people all have your own version of Gods Word to which additional words designed alter the meaning have been inserted into the bible.
That alone is a grave error and a sin ...[text shortened]... things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: (Revelation 22:18 KJV)[/i]
The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.
Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.
It isn't just the ESV, and you can look to several versions not just the KJV and explain how those that hear are not having it read to them.
New International Version
Blessed is the one who reads aloud the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear it and take to heart what is written in it, because the time is near.
New Living Translation
God blesses the one who reads the words of this prophecy to the church, and he blesses all who listen to its message and obey what it says, for the time is near.
English Standard Version
Blessed is the one who reads aloud the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear, and who keep what is written in it, for the time is near.
Berean Study Bible
Blessed is the one who reads aloud the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear and obey what is written in it, because the time is near.
Berean Literal Bible
Blessed is the one reading, and those hearing the words of the prophecy, and keeping the things having been written in it; for the time is near.
New American Standard Bible
Blessed is he who reads and those who hear the words of the prophecy, and heed the things which are written in it; for the time is near.
New King James Version
Blessed is he who reads and those who hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written in it; for the time is near.
King James Bible
Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.
Christian Standard Bible
Blessed is the one who reads aloud the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear the words of this prophecy and keep what is written in it, because the time is near.
Contemporary English Version
God will bless everyone who reads this prophecy to others, and he will bless everyone who hears and obeys it. The time is almost here.
Good News Translation
Happy is the one who reads this book, and happy are those who listen to the words of this prophetic message and obey what is written in this book! For the time is near when all these things will happen.
Holman Christian Standard Bible
The one who reads this is blessed, and those who hear the words of this prophecy and keep what is written in it are blessed, because the time is near!
International Standard Version
How blessed is the one who reads aloud and those who hear the words of this prophecy and obey what is written in it, for the time is near!
NET Bible
Blessed is the one who reads the words of this prophecy aloud, and blessed are those who hear and obey the things written in it, because the time is near!
New Heart English Bible
Blessed is he who reads and those who hear the words of the prophecy, and keep the things that are written in it, for the time is near.
Aramaic Bible in Plain English
Blessed is the one who reads and those who hear the words of this prophecy and keep those things that are written in it, for the time is near.
GOD'S WORD® Translation
Blessed is the one who reads, as well as those who hear the words of this prophecy and pay attention to what is written in it because the time is near.
New American Standard 1977
Blessed is he who reads and those who hear the words of the prophecy, and heed the things which are written in it; for the time is near.
Jubilee Bible 2000
Blessed is he that reads and those that hear the words of this prophecy and keep those things which are written therein, for the time is at hand.
King James 2000 Bible
Blessed is he that reads, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.
American King James Version
Blessed is he that reads, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.
American Standard Version
Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of the prophecy, and keep the things that are written therein: for the time is at hand.
Douay-Rheims Bible
Blessed is he, that readeth and heareth the words of this prophecy; and keepeth those things which are written in it; for the time is at hand.
Darby Bible Translation
Blessed [is] he that reads, and they that hear the words of the prophecy, and keep the things written in it; for the time [is] near.
English Revised Version
Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of the prophecy, and keep the things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.
Webster's Bible Translation
Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.
Weymouth New Testament
Blessed is he who reads and blessed are those who listen to the words of this prophecy and lay to heart what is written in it; for the time for its fulfillment is now close at hand.
World English Bible
Blessed is he who reads and those who hear the words of the prophecy, and keep the things that are written in it, for the time is at hand.
Young's Literal Translation
Happy is he who is reading, and those hearing, the words of the prophecy, and keeping the things written in it -- for the time is nigh!
12 Oct 19
@rajk999 saidSo you are of the opinion if we don't speak and read the original Greek or read the King James Version only we are going to Hell?
There is no such thing as 'reads aloud' in the KJV, neither is it in the original Greek manuscripts. You quote from your church approved translation the ESV. Sonship does the same and so do the JWs. You people all have your own version of Gods Word to which additional words designed alter the meaning have been inserted into the bible.
That alone is a grave error and a sin ...[text shortened]... things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: (Revelation 22:18 KJV)[/i]
@kellyjay saidWhat is Gods Word? All the translations by man that are manipulated to say things that the original Hebrew and Greek scrolls did not say are not Gods Word.
So you are of the opinion if we don't speak and read the original Greek or read the King James Version only we are going to Hell?
12 Oct 19
@kellyjay saidI repeat there is nothing in the bible about reading aloud. To hear in many parts of the bible means to understand and to OBEY
Revelation 1 King James Version (KJV)
The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.
Blessed is he that readeth, and they that h ...[text shortened]... se hearing, the words of the prophecy, and keeping the things written in it -- for the time is nigh!
(For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified. (Romans 2:13 KJV)
You appear to be focusing on the reading aloud, and on the hearing, while the bible stresses obeying what is written in the book of Revelation.
Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand. (Revelation 1:3 KJV)
@rajk999 saidI don't care that you repeat your error; it doesn't change anything; either you are denouncing all translations, including the KJV, or you can give your list of acceptable translations. Just so you know Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek were the languages used in writing the Bible's text too.
I repeat there is nothing in the bible about reading aloud. To hear in many parts of the bible means to understand and to OBEY
(For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified. (Romans 2:13 KJV)
You appear to be focusing on the reading aloud, and on the hearing, while the bible stresses obeying what is written in th ...[text shortened]... b]keep those things which are written therein: [/b]for the time is at hand. (Revelation 1:3 KJV)[/i]
@kellyjay saidA bible written around the 1990s like the ESV is one that I would put no faith in. The bible used by the JWs is another, as is the one promoted by sonship, the NIV. The one produced by the Seven Day Adventists is another nonsense bible written to promote a particular church doctrine. They are all twisted and false. That is my last post in this thread.
I don't care that you repeat your error; it doesn't change anything; either you are denouncing all translations, including the KJV, or you can give your the list of acceptable translations. Just so you know Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek were the languages used in writing the Bible's text too.
12 Oct 19
@rajk999 saidWhat does the it being written in 1990's have to do with anything? You think the KJV version is better just because of the year it was written in?
A bible written around the 1990s like the ESV is one that I would put no faith in. The bible used by the JWs is another, as is the one promoted by sonship, the NIV. The one produced by the Seven Day Adventists is another nonsense bible written to promote a particular church doctrine. They are all twisted and false. That is my last post in this thread.