09 Jan 12
Originally posted by robbie carrobieIs it the fact that Tyre isn't Phoenician anymore that has you claiming it wasn't rebuilt?
Another FAIL! the actual manner in which the Phonecian city of Tyre would be
destroyed is well documented, the Bible is unerring it providing details, not some
haphazard, you might be destroyed or you might not.
09 Jan 12
Originally posted by FMFNo it was not rebuilt, its a completely different city, why you people are having trouble
The city of Tyre was rebuilt. It isn't a Phoenician city now. There is no Phoenicia. It had already been rebuilt in the Greco-Roman times and from the period of the Crusaders, as you have apparently inadvertently conceded. Does this kind of stuff really pass among the Christian populace as a Biblical prophecy come true? Whatever floats your boat, robbie.
accepting this is really quite bemusing. Does this kind of stuff really pass for a
refutation of a Biblical prophecy, whatever provokes your obstinacy dear FMF.
09 Jan 12
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Originally posted by FMFI am claiming that the ancient city was never rebuilt, the modern city is something
Is it the fact that Tyre isn't Phoenician anymore that has you claiming it wasn't rebuilt?
entirely different. You people are claiming that it was rebuilt, i know, its underneath
the sea.
09 Jan 12
Originally posted by robbie carrobieYou might want to look up the wiki on Tyre. It mentions that the Northern harbour is still the same one that was used all through Tyre's history. Parts of the old city have been preserved in archaeological sites, take a look at google Earth, you can see the old sites.
the ancient Phonecian city is now the modern city, ?? no its not, nothing exists of the
ancient Phonecian city, did I mention its underneath the sea? If there are any ruins
they are Greco-Roman or from the period of the crusaders, not the Phonecian city
which was destroyed and is where, underneath the sea. Is this the best you can do
FMF, ...[text shortened]... ncient Phonecian city (not the modern
Lebanese city) so that its now uninhabited and desolate?
09 Jan 12
Originally posted by robbie carrobieSo for it to be rebuilt, it should have been rebuilt exactly as before ? Otherwise it's a "new" city ?
I am claiming that the ancient city was never rebuilt, the modern city is something
entirely different. You people are claiming that it was rebuilt, i know, its underneath
the sea.
09 Jan 12
Originally posted by Bartsthe city that was prophesied against was an island, it no longer exists, it was destroyed
You might want to look up the wiki on Tyre. It mentions that the Northern harbour is still the same one that was used all through Tyre's history. Parts of the old city have been preserved in archaeological sites, take a look at google Earth, you can see the old sites.
and remains to this very day , uninhabited, after all, its quite difficult to populate a city
that is underneath the sea. The port to which you make reference is a part of the
other city of Tyre destroyed by the Babylonians, which Alexander made use of, when
he took the remains and pitched it into the sea. These are two distinct prophecies
concerning the Babylonian siege and destruction of mainland Tyre and the prophesy
concerning Alexander and the destruction of the Island city of Tyre. You might want to
look at a Bible before making reference.
09 Jan 12
Originally posted by robbie carrobieThe prophet in question did not foresee the rebuilding of the city. That's what makes it a dud. Have you got any better prophecies?
the city that was prophesied against was an island, it no longer exists, it was destroyed
and remains to this very day , uninhabited, after all, its quite difficult to populate a city
that is underneath the sea. The port to which you make reference is a part of the
other city of Tyre destroyed by the Babylonians, which Alexander made use of, w ...[text shortened]... uction of the Island city of Tyre. You might want to
look at a Bible before making reference.
09 Jan 12
Originally posted by robbie carrobieAlexander the Great conquered the city in 332 BC, but in 315 BC ATG's former general, Antigonus, spent one whole year sieging the city again. What was he laying siege to exactly if the city wasn't rebuilt?
I am claiming that the ancient city was never rebuilt, the modern city is something
entirely different. You people are claiming that it was rebuilt, i know, its underneath
the sea.
09 Jan 12
Originally posted by BartsIs this really the best you can do? A rebuilding is just that, the inhabitants rebuild the
So for it to be rebuilt, it should have been rebuilt exactly as before ? Otherwise it's a "new" city ?
city, after destruction, its quite hard to rebuild an island fortification after all your army
has been pitched into the sea, your fortifications tore down and your city put to the
torch, the fact of the matter is, the ancient Phonecian Island of Tyre, no longer exists, it
was never rebuilt and remains uninhabitable.
09 Jan 12
Originally posted by robbie carrobieWhere does the Bible mention Alexander the Great?
the city that was prophesied against was an island, it no longer exists, it was destroyed
and remains to this very day , uninhabited, after all, its quite difficult to populate a city
that is underneath the sea. The port to which you make reference is a part of the
other city of Tyre destroyed by the Babylonians, which Alexander made use of, w ...[text shortened]... uction of the Island city of Tyre. You might want to
look at a Bible before making reference.
09 Jan 12
Originally posted by Proper KnobRobbie has already [perhaps inadvertently] conceded that Tyre had already been rebuilt by Greco-Roman times and prior to the period of the Crusaders.
Alexander the Great conquered the city in 332 BC, but in 315 BC ATG's former general, Antigonus, spent one whole year sieging the city again. What was he laying siege to exactly if the city wasn't rebuilt?
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Originally posted by Proper Knoblook, there are two accounts, two destructions, of two cities, one mainland, by the
Where does the Bible mention Alexander the Great?
hand of the Babylonians and the other, the Phonecian Island city, destroyed by
Alexander which remains to this day, underneath the sea. The Bible does not
mention Alexander by name, never the less, here is a prophecy,
(Zechariah 9:3-5) 3 And Tyre proceeded to build a rampart for herself, and to pile
up silver like dust and gold like the mire of [the] streets. Look! Jehovah himself will
dispossess her, and into the sea he will certainly strike down her military force; and
in the fire she herself will be devoured.
Nearly 200 years after Zechariah’s prophecy was given, it was fulfilled. In
332 B.C.E. Alexander the Great marched his army across Asia Minor and, in his
sweep southward, paused long enough to give his attention to Tyre. When the city
refused to open its gates, Alexander in his rage had his army scrape up the ruins of
the mainland city and throw it into the sea, thus building a causeway out to the
island city, all of this in fulfillment of prophecy. (Eze 26:4) With his naval forces
holding the Tyrian ships bottled up in their harbor, Alexander set about constructing
the highest siege towers ever used in ancient wars. Finally, after seven months the
46-m-high (150 ft) walls were breached. In addition to the 8,000 military men killed
in battle, 2,000 prominent leaders were killed as a reprisal, and 30,000 inhabitants
were sold into slavery.
09 Jan 12
Originally posted by FMFI am referring to the ancient Phonecian Island, it has never been rebuilt, please do not try to obfuscate it with these ludicrous claims.
Robbie has already [perhaps inadvertently] conceded that Tyre had already been rebuilt by Greco-Roman times and prior to the period of the Crusaders.