Originally posted by Proper KnobI did not reckonize you at first. Have you done something to your brain?
So the Bible doesn't state that the prophesy is ongoing? I've read the text, i can see no mention of the word 'ongoing' anywhere.
It's quite explicit that Nebu, whatever his name is, will destroy the city for ever.
I believe I have already posted a link earlier on this thread that explains
your concern. There is a story about Jesus getting up and reading a
prophecy in the synagogue and he stopped before finishing and said to
those there the prophecy is being fufilled in their hearing it. This was
a Messianic prophecy and only the part He read was fulfilled by him.
The remainder that was left unread has never been fulfilled. It is the
belief of Bible Scholars that the remainder will be fulfilled when He
comes again. So there are many portions of prophecies concerning
the Messiah that Jesus fulfilled only in part. So is the prophecies that
concern Tyre.
10 Jan 12
Originally posted by robbie carrobieno. it would indicate that the first prophet failed, and another prophet gave it another go.
well if it states that something will happen and it does not happen in its entirety, then its
understood that its ongoing. The mere fact that another prophet also prophesied
about Tyres destruction many years after the initial prophetic utterance would indicate
this, would it not?
10 Jan 12
Originally posted by Penguinof course that would be irrelevant since the prophecies don't say that the original cities would never be rebuilt, they claim that no city would ever be rebuilt there.
Because you said:
[b]I think all man has to do to prove God is a liar is to rebuild Babylon in Iraq with homes and let it become an inhabited city again ... This seems like an easy task for man to do. Don't you agree?
Most people would consider that building [a]a[/b] city on the site of the ancient city of Babylon and calling that new city "Babylon ...[text shortened]... houses again. This does not seem to me to be an "easy task for man to do"
--- Penguin[/b]
in tyre, we have a special case of not only a city being rebuilt on the site, but a city actually sharing the same name of its ancestor!
10 Jan 12
Originally posted by robbie carrobiethe prophecy didn't say who wouldn't rebuild the city, it said it would remain barren and no city would be built. the prophecy failed.
not by the ancient Phonecians, to which the prophesy was addressed it didn't.
Perhaps Gods prophet should also have mentioned those who would build on the ruins
of the ancient city, a new city.
10 Jan 12
Originally posted by RJHinds1889?
Taken from a history book concerning Trye.
Alexander the Great ... reduced [Tyre] to ruins (332 B.C.). She
recovered in a measure from this blow, but never regained the place she
had previously held in the world. The larger part of the site of the once
great city is now bare as the top of a rock -- a place where the fishermen
that still frequent the ...[text shortened]... Philip Van Ness. General History for Colleges and High Schools.
Boston: Ginn and Company, 1889.
take a look at a modern source, like google earth. zoom down on the city and stare despairingly at the failure of your god.
10 Jan 12
over the past few days, it has become clear that as predictable, "christians" will make any excuse concerning failure of prophecies and the failure of morality of their chosen fictional master and this thread has been no exception.
it has been proven beyond doubt that the city of tyre, once prophesized that it would remain barren and no city would be rebuilt there, is today a thriving metropolis with much of the original island and the causeway inhabited in a rebuilt city.
it has been proven that the intent of the original post as made by rjhinds was a complete lie, mostly because he was completely ignorant of the failure of the tyrian prophecy until it was brought up much to his chagrin.
since the conditions of his challenge have been met and he continues to deny, it has been shown beyond doubt that rjhinds is a hypocrite (of course this has been proven elsewhere, but more proof of it can't hurt).
with that, i conclude my participation in this thread.
live long and prosper. V
10 Jan 12
Originally posted by VoidSpiritI already told you the true name of the town is Sour and not Tyre. See
of course that would be irrelevant since the prophecies don't say that the original cities would never be rebuilt, they claim that no city would ever be rebuilt there.
in tyre, we have a special case of not only a city being rebuilt on the site, but a city actually sharing the same name of its ancestor!
the google map.
10 Jan 12
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Originally posted by VoidSpiritSour Lebanon covers no part of the original Island City of Tyre. The Island
i didn't feel the need to mention it because the present day city of tyre covers a large part of the original island.
please do some research before embarrassing yourself.
city disappeared into the sea, except for a flat rock on which fisherman
dry their nets just like the prophecy foretold. There is a causeway going
out to the rock that Alexander built to seige the city that is still there
from reports I have read.
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Originally posted by VoidSpiritIf it was true in 1889 that is good enough for me. 😏
1889?
take a look at a modern source, like google earth. zoom down on the city and stare despairingly at the failure of your god.
P.S. I was not talking about Tyre anyway. I was talking
about Babylon that is about 50 or 60 miles from Bagdad, Iraq.
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Originally posted by RJHindsSour and Tyre are one in the same. Wiki: Arabic: Sur; Phoenician: Sur; Hebrew: Tzor; Tiberian Hebrew Sor; Akkadian: Surru; Greek: Týros; Turkish: Sur; Latin: Tyrus. And, English: Tyre.
I already told you the true name of the town is Sour and not Tyre. See
the google map.
10 Jan 12
Originally posted by FMFI don't care about Tyre, Sour, Sur, or whatever. There is proof that
Sour and Tyre are one in the same. Wiki: Arabic: Sur; Phoenician: Sur; Hebrew: Tzor; Tiberian Hebrew Sor; Akkadian: Surru; Greek: Týros; Turkish: Sur; Latin: Tyrus.
that prophecy has already been fulfilled because there is no more
Phoenician Empire which was the point of destroying that City State.
The fact that other nations have built cities near or even on the old
site does not bring it back. The Empire was destroyed for good.
I don't hear any debate about all the other parts of the prophecy
not being fulfilled. What about Babylon?
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Originally posted by RJHindsOh so, one or two posts after your one about Tyre, Sour, Sur, or whatever, you suddenly "don't care about Tyre, Sour, Sur, or whatever". The "evidence" comes and goes so quickly. The city of Tyre was rebuilt: something the "prophet" clearly did not foresee. This thread will be memorable for the degree to which some posters have had to grasp at an ever changing array of straws with ever diminishing composure!
I don't care about Tyre, Sour, Sur, or whatever. There is proof that
that prophecy has already been fulfilled because there is no more
Phoenician Empire which was the point of destroying that City State.