The Garden of Eden

Originally posted by moonbus
I see that you are still equating "allegorical" with "not real." This is a false dichotomy. There are at least four ways of reading the Bible (even among the faithful): 1. literal, 2. allegorical, 3. moral, and 4. mystical. (Plus 5. as literature, i.e., fiction, for the non-faithful.) The first four are not mutually exclusive.

See for example:

http://ncse.com/religion/how-do-i-read-bible-let-me-count-ways

After searching the thread i can find none of the alleged Biblical evidence that he claims to have provided. The fact of the matter is that Christ himself held the Genesis account to be real, in fact he quoted directly from it when answering a loaded question from the Pharisees about divorce. This is important because it sets a Christian precedent, that Christ taught a literal garden of Eden.

Originally posted by FMF
And no "truth claim" from you about the conversation either. 🙂

No i leave inadvertently blurted out truth claims to you Effhim, man ill be dining out on that for weeks.

Originally posted by FMF
Speculating that "no amount of evidence would be enough evidence" for the person questioning the veracity of the account [of the conversation] does not mean that you not providing ANY evidence somehow affirms the veracity of the account.

It's not speculation. I'm speaking from experience, that's why I won't participate in this... and save your breath, I really don't care if you don't believe it. I really don't.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
After searching the thread i can find none of the alleged Biblical evidence that he claims to have provided. The fact of the matter is that Christ himself held the Genesis account to be real, in fact he quoted directly from it when answering a loaded question from the Pharisees.

I don't think who is quoting it affects whether it is allegorical or not.

Originally posted by lemon lime
It's not speculation. I'm speaking from experience, that's why I won't participate in this... and save your breath, I really don't care if you don't believe it. I really don't.

OK, I will reword it. Stating that "no amount of evidence would be enough evidence" for the person questioning the veracity of the account does not mean that you not providing ANY evidence somehow affirms its veracity. Stating "no amount of evidence would be enough evidence" is just sidestepping the question of the account's veracity.

Originally posted by FMF
I don't think who is quoting it affects whether it is allegorical or not.

Oh dear you are in for another roasting, Christ set a precedent in that he taught that the Genesis account was literal, not allegorical. So from a Christian perceptive it most certainly is important, because we are interested not in the teaching of FMF but the teaching of Christ.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
No i leave inadvertently blurted out truth claims to you Effhim, man ill be dining out on that for weeks.

If you find yourself able make a "truth claim" about the content of the conversation, I will be interested to hear it. Till you do, we have a situation where you, a Christian, find yourself unable to assert the veracity of the passage in question.

Originally posted by FMF
If you find yourself able make a "truth claim" about the content of the conversation, I will be interested to hear it. Till you do, we have a situation where you, a Christian, find yourself unable to assert the veracity of the passage in question.

So what, i realise that. Its no big deal. There is no drama here, no panic, no flashlights and explosions, why stress old bearded one.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Christ set a precedent in that he taught that the Genesis account was literal, not allegorical.

Who wrote that?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
So what, i realise that. Its no big deal.

Are there any other passages in the Bible you are unwilling to make "truth claims" about or passages whose veracity you cannot assert?

Originally posted by FMF
Who wrote that?

It doesn’t matter who wrote it, its recorded in scripture which is what forms the basis of christian belief.

Originally posted by FMF
Are there any other passages in the Bible you are unwilling to make "truth claims" about or passages whose veracity you cannot assert?

Do you normally make truth claims that you cannot substantiate? What other truth claims have you made for which you have not the slightest evidence?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Do you normally make truth claims that you cannot substantiate?

I am not a Christian so I am not trying to assert the veracity of the Bible.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
It doesn’t matter who wrote it, its recorded in scripture which is what forms the basis of christian belief.

Are you making a "truth claim" about what Jesus purportedly said?

Originally posted by FMF
I am not a Christian so I am not trying to assert the veracity of the Bible.

So what? You have tried to impose a value onto scripture and got roasted making a truth claim you could not substantiate.