The Garden of Eden

Originally posted by FMF
My last 5 posts on this page have been "stating the obvious".

perhaps you have a gift for it?

Originally posted by divegeester
Now the LORD God had planted a garden in the east, in Eden; and there he put the man he had formed.
Genesis 2:8

I'm inviting speculation or theology.

What did the soil in the garden consist of?

gods love

Originally posted by redbadger
gods love

Luckily for you, Noah included weasels when he loaded the ark.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
The[y] did die and there is no indication that the sentence of death was to be instantaneous, unless of course you can provide evidence that it was.

Gen 2:17:"But of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it; for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die." (KJV)

Read that, robbie. It's as clear as day.

At least one contributor to this thread has stated categorically that "the garden" is to be taken literally; there was a real garden with real trees in it, not a symbolic garden with symbolic trees. At least one contributor to this thread has stated categorically that "the tree" and its "fruit" are to be understood literally, not symbolically.

So, in the first clause of Gen 2:17:"But of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it;" that tree is/was literally a real tree with literal real fruit and literal real leaves. Is that your position, yes or no?

Originally posted by moonbus
I see that you are still equating "allegorical" with "not real." This is a false dichotomy. There are at least four ways of reading the Bible (even among the faithful): 1. literal, 2. allegorical, 3. moral, and 4. mystical. (Plus 5. as literature, i.e., fiction, for the non-faithful.) The first four are not mutually exclusive.

See for example:

http://ncse.com/religion/how-do-i-read-bible-let-me-count-ways

I've not used the word "allegorical".

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
After searching the thread i can find none of the alleged Biblical evidence that he claims to have provided. The fact of the matter is that Christ himself held the Genesis account to be real, in fact he quoted directly from it when answering a loaded question from the Pharisees about divorce. This is important because it sets a Christian precedent, that Christ taught a literal garden of Eden.

I have not used the word "allegorical".

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
After searching the thread i can find none of the alleged Biblical evidence that he claims to have provided. The fact of the matter is that Christ himself held the Genesis account to be real, in fact he quoted directly from it when answering a loaded question from the Pharisees about divorce. This is important because it sets a Christian precedent, that Christ taught a literal garden of Eden.

I have not claimed that the "Genesis account is not real".

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
...that Christ taught a literal garden of Eden.

I have not claimed the garden of Eden was not real.

Originally posted by moonbus
Gen 2:17:"But of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it; for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die." (KJV)

Read that, robbie. It's as clear as day.

At least one contributor to this thread has stated categorically that "the garden" is to be taken literally; there was a real garden with real trees in it, not ...[text shortened]... y a real tree with literal real fruit and literal real leaves. Is that your position, yes or no?

You have not provided a shred of evidence that death was to be instantaneous, in fact the day they ate from it they started to die. Your insistence that they were to die that very day is baseless and unsubstantiated. In fact the apostle Paul qualifies the statement when he relates that sin and death entered into the world through one man Adam, a state we are still under and none of us are dying instantaneously.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Oh dear you are in for another roasting, Christ set a precedent in that he taught that the Genesis account was literal, not allegorical. So from a Christian perceptive it most certainly is important, because we are interested not in the teaching of FMF but the teaching of Christ.

No one is contesting the garden of Eden was not real. I am proposing that the tree of Life was symbolic. In doing so I assert that it was therefore not real. I've provided the basis for this assertion several times in this thread all of which were scripturally based.

Unlike Galveston's clam that the tree of life was destroyed with the garden of Eden in Noah's flood which is completely made up nonsense. I see you don't challenge him on this...????????

Originally posted by divegeester
I have not claimed the garden of Eden was not real.

whether you have or have not is irrelevant, we are interested in what the Bible teaches and what may be established scripturaly, your teaching is inconsequential to that.

Originally posted by divegeester
No one is contesting the gArden of Eden was not real. I am proposing that the tree of Life was symbolic. In doing so I assert that it was therefore not real. I've provided the basis for this assertion several times in this thread all of which were scripturally based.

Unlike Galveston's clam that the tree of life was destroyed with the garden of Eden ...[text shortened]... h's flood which is completely made up nonsense. I see you don't challenge him on this...????????

strange i looked through the thread and could not find a single Biblical scripture you used to support your case. so lets get this the garden of Eden was literal, but not the trees in it? What is your scriptural reference for that?

Originally posted by galveston75
And you can have your opinion, it's ok with me.

Have you found and scriptures to support your claim that "the garden if Eden was destroyed in the flood"?

Originally posted by galveston75
And as usual there is no reasoning with you on anything. I'd get better results talking to a brick wall.....Lol.

I'm open to reason; please feel free to provide anything more than your SELF CERTIFIED OPINION that the garden of Eden was destroyed in Noah's flood.

Thanks.

Originally posted by divegeester
Have you found and scriptures to support your claim that "the garden if Eden was destroyed in the flood"?

It makes logical sense that if the garden of Eden was literal and we know that according to Christ that it was, then when the great flood came it may have suffered destruction. Its not illogical, irrational and very plausible. After all do we see evidence of the literal garden of Eden today, no? why not?