21 Aug 14
Originally posted by robbie carrobieCan you perhaps help Galveston who seems to be having trouble providing this "empirical evidence" to support what I can only presume is the Jehovah's Witness official position that the garden of Eden was destroyed in Noah's flood?
No that all you are doing, others provide empirical evidence for their claims. Others even provide empirical evidence with their questions.
21 Aug 14
Originally posted by robbie carrobieIncorrect.
No he is expressing the Biblical perspective, he did not author the Bible and therefore that perspective is not of his own originality, you tried this before and failed.
Galveston said: "the garden of Eden was destroyed in the flood"
This is NOT a biblical perspective. Do you agree with him?
21 Aug 14
Originally posted by divegeesterI am uninterested in your petty disputes with others here, they are meaningless to me, I would be more interested if you could provide evidence for the claims you make and let others provide for the claims they make.
Can you perhaps help Galveston who seems to be having trouble providing this "empirical evidence" to support what I can only presume is the Jehovah's Witness official position that the garden of Eden was destroyed in Noah's flood?
21 Aug 14
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Originally posted by divegeesterso where is the garden of Eden today? and once again your plastic and transparent attempts to make the issue personal will be ignored, if you are interested in the issue as you claim, then address the points that have been put to you.
Incorrect.
Galveston said: "the garden of Eden was destroyed in the flood"
This is NOT a biblical perspective. Do you agree with him?
21 Aug 14
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieNo he hasn't; he made it up.
No he has expressed the Biblical perspective, as espoused by Christ as I have admirably demonstrated, that other Christians also profess believe in an allegorical interpretation is naught but an argumentum ad populum and again, all that you are doing is trading opinions because you have nothing else, not everyone is the same as you and some generally ...[text shortened]... ence for the claims they make, something you have failed to do, because all you have is opinion.
You repeatedly stating that Galveston was presenting a biblical perspective is making it look like you agree with his unscriptural SELF CERTIFIED OPINION that the garden of Eden was destroyed in the flood.
Can you help him by providing the "empirical evidence" to show it is a "biblical perspective"?
Thanks
21 Aug 14
Originally posted by robbie carrobieI have provided evidence for my claims in this thread. Several times.
I am uninterested in your petty disputes with others here, they are meaningless to me, I would be more interested if you could provide evidence for the claims you make and let others provide for the claims they make.
Galveston's position is unscriptural. Do you agree with him?
21 Aug 14
Originally posted by divegeesteryawn, another opinion piece, banal, predictable and uninteresting, if you are interested in the matter then i suggest you attempt to address the points that have been put to you, what you think of Galveston is irrelevant to me and its also becoming increasingly clear you are uninterested in discussing the points that have been put to you.
No he hasn't; he made it up.
You repeated stating that Galveston was presenting a biblical perspective is making it look like you agree with his unscriptural SELF CERTIFIED OPINION that the garden of Eden was destroyed in the flood.
Can you help him by providing the "empirical evidence" to show it is a "biblical perspective"?
Thanks
21 Aug 14
Originally posted by robbie carrobieI have no idea where it is, how could I possible know.
so where is the garden of Eden today? and once again your plastic and transparent attempts to make the issue personal will be ignored, if you are interested in the issue as you claim, then address the points that have been put to you.
Are you saying you agree with Galveston? Is what Galveston asserting the official JW position on the matter?
21 Aug 14
Originally posted by divegeesterthen produce them here for i cannot find a single scriptural reference you have cited, simply relay the scripture to me and i will consider it.
I have provided evidence for my claims in this thread. Several times.
Galveston's position is unscriptural. Do you agree with him?
21 Aug 14
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Originally posted by divegeesterso according to you it still exists? tell us how the garden of eden was literal but the trees in it were not.
I have no idea where it is, how could I possible know.
Are you saying you agree with Galveston? Is what Galveston asserting the official JW position on the matter?
21 Aug 14
Originally posted by robbie carrobieIf you find my thread uninteresting you are free not to post in it.
yawn, another opinion piece, banal, predictable and uninteresting, if you are interested in the matter then i suggest you attempt to address the points that have been put to you, what you think of Galveston is irrelevant to me and its also becoming increasingly clear you are uninterested in discussing the points that have been put to you.
If however you can help your fellow Jehovah's Witness out by helping find some scripture, any scripture to support his SELF CERTIFIED OPINION that the garden of Eden was destroyed in the flood, I'm sure he and the those following would be grateful and interested respectively.
21 Aug 14
Originally posted by divegeestertell us how the garden of Eden was literal and the trees in it were not, third time asking.
If you find my thread uninteresting you are free not to post in it.
If however you can help your fellow Jehovah's Witness out by helping find some scripture, any scripture to support his SELF CERTIFIED OPINION that the garden of Eden was destroyed in the flood, I'm sure he and the those following would be grateful and interested respectively.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieThe second clause of Gen 2:17 reads: "for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die." Is "eat" literal, meaning really to put something into the mouth, masticate, swallow, digest, or is that some sort of symbolic 'eat'?
You have not provided a shred of evidence that death was to be instantaneous, in fact the day they ate from it they started to die. Your insistence that they were to die that very day is baseless and unsubstantiated. In fact the apostle Paul qualifies the statement when he relates that sin and death entered into the world through one man Adam, a state we are still under and none of us are dying instantaneously.
Is "die" literal, meaning really bodily to cease functioning, or is that some sort of symbolic death (a coward dies a thousand of them)?
Is "in the day" literal, meaning what people of biblical times meant by "a day," to wit the period from sun up to sun down? "The day" (not "some day" ) meaning literally on the very same day as the literal eating of the literal tree? Or is that some sort of figurative day as in "in my great grandfather's day"?
Literal eating and dying on the same day (albeit not instantaneously), yes or no?
21 Aug 14
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Originally posted by moonbusif you can offer any evidence for a non literal interpretation of eating, day, dying or anything else then please do so. We have already established from a christian perspective that Jesus taught that the Garden was literal and no amount of intellectual jive talk can change that fact. If you wish to engage in pure speculation then its your affair.
The second clause of Gen 2:17 reads: "for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die." Is "eat" literal, meaning really to put something into the mouth, masticate, swallow, digest, or is that some sort of symbolic 'eat'?
Is "die" literal, meaning really bodily to cease functioning, or is that some sort of symbolic death (a coward dies a tho ...[text shortened]... her's day"?
Literal eating and dying on the same day (albeit not instantaneously), yes or no?