The Garden of Eden

Originally posted by biffo konker
shh.Your mate Rabbie is explaining all about the magic trees and stuff.If we are very good he might tell us about the talking snake.That's one of my favourites.

snakes don’t talk Geeves, just sayin.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
snakes don’t talk Geeves, just sayin.

Serpents?

Originally posted by biffo konker
Serpents?

serpents don’t talk either Wooster, just sayin.

Originally posted by divegeester
Are you saying that when God said [b]"on THIS day you will surely die" that he was being in some way allegorical?[/b]

What is your point here? Are you saying if an effect doesn't immediately follow a cause then it can't be the effect of that cause?

Originally posted by lemon lime
The proof of prophesy is found in its fulfillment. If a poison doesn't kill someone on the same day he ingests it, does this mean it won't cause him to die the next day?

What is your point here? Are you saying if an effect doesn't immediately follow a cause then it can't be the effect of that cause?

ask him how its possible that the garden of Eden was literal but the trees in it were not, make sure you have an umbrella handy for the slobber and drool.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
ask him how its possible that the garden of Eden was literal but the trees in it were not, make sure you have an umbrella handy for the slobber and drool.

That's a good point, but I don't recall him saying Eden was a real place either.

I wonder if Dive is literally a Christian... or symbolic of something else.

Originally posted by lemon lime
That's a good point, but I don't recall him saying Eden was a real place either.

I wonder if Dive is literally a Christian... or symbolic of something else.

You may not know this, but the majority of people who call themselves Christian do not believe Eden was a real place.

Originally posted by twhitehead
You may not know this, but the majority of people who call themselves Christian do not believe Eden was a real place.

its an argumentum ad populum.

Originally posted by lemon lime
That's a good point, but I don't recall him saying Eden was a real place either.

I wonder if Dive is literally a Christian... or symbolic of something else.

yes i think hes a symbolic christian, symbolic of what though, i cannot say.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
yes i think hes a symbolic christian, symbolic of what though, i cannot say.

I don't know how anyone can misunderstand what it means to eat something one day, and then die at some later date as a result of eating that something. A slow poison will not kill you the second after you ingest it, but apparently I'm supposed to wonder why it won't immediately kill me simply because it happens to be a slow poison...

Originally posted by twhitehead
You may not know this, but the majority of people who call themselves Christian do not believe Eden was a real place.

Let's play detective for a moment and ask ourselves, if Eden was not a real place then why were we given a general description of its location? If the writer believed the story was fictional and only meant to be symbolic, then why would he need to point to a place "on the map" where it once existed?

By the way, I put "on the map" in quotations because description of location doesn't necessarily mean anyone was literally pointing to a place on a hard copy map that can literally be held in your hands for you to look at with real (not symbolic) eyeballs.

Originally posted by divegeester
Are you saying that when God said [b]"on THIS day you will surely die" that he was being in some way allegorical?[/b]

A literal translation from original text reads: "dying you shall die".


Cause and effect...

If you are "dying", then it follows "you shall die".

Originally posted by lemon lime
I don't know how anyone can misunderstand what it means to eat something one day, and then die at some later date as a result of eating that something. A slow poison will not kill you the second after you ingest it, but apparently I'm supposed to wonder why it won't immediately kill me simply because it happens to be a [b]slow poison...[/b]

According to the Bible, Adam lived for 930 years. It doesn't say how old he was when he ate the apple.

Originally posted by lemon lime
Let's play detective for a moment and ask ourselves, if Eden was not a real place then why were we given a general description of its location? If the writer believed the story was fictional and only meant to be symbolic, then why would he need to point to a place "on the map" where it once existed?

By the way, I put "on the map" in quotations because ...[text shortened]... p that can literally be held in your hands for you to look at with real (not symbolic) eyeballs.

Where was Eden located, approximately?

Originally posted by HandyAndy
Where was Eden located, approximately?

Scotland.